Tonight T:V will have a bit more exposure on G4TechTv

Yeah I just taped it. They honestly missed alot of the good points about the game, and the main beef with having only 16vs16, well that still is more than enough to play online if you want my opinion.

They never really gave it any negative points, they kinda did show off the ragdoll. What dissapoints me is that they never made and special reference to the changed physics. I really don't understand why Tribes deserves a 3/5 wheras Halo 2 got 5/5.

A bad rating for Halo 2? Have you seen their forums? That'd be suicide.

Well lets see:

T:V brings NOTHING new to the table except for the grappler and the SP game. AND they reduced the max player count.

Halo 2 had was was (reportedly) a really good SP campaign, and its a console game so you can expect they'll give it a higher rating (they are MUCH harder on PC games, and with good reason: PC games SHOULD be better than console games).

Tribes Vengeance isnt a BAD game (that would have gotten a 2 out of 5), but its nowhere near as stellar enough to warrant a "must buy". Therefore it gets an "average" rating.

Be honest: what does Tribes Vengeance do that the other games in the series didnt already do?

Mapping? In theory its easier... maybe
Modding? Not quite there yet
Skinning? Rendered almost pointless by the player modelling.
Weapons? Meh, nothing outstanding or innovative, and they put ranges on EVERY weapon... where's the fun in that?
Tribal Clan features? Face it, T2 did a better job (and that game was unstable! and STILL got a 4 out of 5 btw)

[EDIT: And lets not forget the stupid Inventory system, the counter-intuative zoom function, the weird chat function... etc....]

A step forward, a step back and a couple of steps sideways. :rolleyes: I hate that even I would give it a 3 out of 5 (4 out of 5 for the SP, but thats another matter)

I don't know man but I was kinda disgusted at how big name console titles are getting insanely high ratings whereas lower budget titles are getting the shaft. I sorta wish they had a 3rd party interpreter who wasn't subject to all the hype to review these games. I'd say the results would come out alot different.

I kinda agree that there are some aspects that have been either toned down, or changed but lets be honest, was it better to do it this way?

Mapping- Honestly I never did anything in Torque so I never touched the thing, I have however done alot of UnrealEd crap, so pretty much mapping in TV was just a fill in the gaps experience for me.

Modding- There's a couple mods being announced, the compiler will get fixed soon enough, but lets be honest... is that really pertinent to the rating of the game? Maybe, but right now these mods wouldn't even be finished if the compiler was working.

Skinning- It is kind of a pain, but alot of games have wildly different models. UT has like 6 or 7 races with at least 2-3 types of meshes for each charecter. So we're not really that bad off.

Weapons- The rocket pod, buckler and grappling hook are pretty cool. They certainly don't add alot, but I honestly don't think they take anything away either. The original weapons are pretty well revamped. I don't miss the plasma rifle horribly, and the blaster is an actual reliable way to MA people to suck off some health.


Basically my beef is- What does Halo 2 bring to the plate that T:V does not? It's kinda hard to say that you can't compare the two, I really wouldn't have a problem if they explained that. But a notion like that wasn't really implied, nor would I expect someone to realize it's common sense.

The thing is, most of the people here are against new things in their Tribes games from what I've seen.

You and Vir seem to be the exception, Wolfy.

Mapping isn't easier, not by a long shot. T2 is the easiest mapping system ever made. However, it's theoretically much more comprehensive.

Arcanox,

Well see the diff player models wouldnt be such a BIG deal *IF* you werent forced into a model based on what team you were on. In most other games there's no set model for the teams. I think that in many ways they based a lot of the premises off BF1942 (a bad idea IMHO).

I AM all for newness. I just REALLY scratch my head at some of the things they did.

Another thing I really wish they hadnt done was mess with the INV system. That STILL irks me.

The game interface (meaning the menu screens) just seems so... amateurish... I wouldnt be shocked if eventually someone who can do the coding actually gets tired of staring at it and redoes the interface for the game (and I also wouldnt be shocked if it became a standard).

*sigh* I cant shake the feeling that a lot of the polish for TV may well come from the community. Lets just hope there IS STILL a community by that time. And thats one of the things that COULD have been avoided if VUG hadnt tossed T:V out like a sacrificial lamb to distract from the latest HL2 delay ;) (KIDDING!)

3/5 sounds about right to me. TV doesnt give me the same feeling as T2 did. Might be becuase of the step back in features, and a sidestep in gameplay. None really forward except for graphics which I don't care much for.

3 out of 5 .. ooooo no .... Menzo better get cracking on that hate mail letter .... :roller:

The thing is, most of the people here are against new things in their Tribes games from what I've seen.

You and Vir seem to be the exception, Wolfy.

Mapping isn't easier, not by a long shot. T2 is the easiest mapping system ever made. However, it's theoretically much more comprehensive.

If by "new things" you mean horrible gameplay, horrible map design, horrible skiing, horrible player counts, lack of skill required to play, so on and so on etc you're absolutely right.

64 players. :rolleyes:

lets see a link to an avi of this please. i forgot to watch ;o

i think their perspective is right, the pioneering aspects of tribes were lost. it maintained a simplified version of a subset of those great t1 features. like they said, doesn't mean its not fun, it is fun, but yeah, its not the same.

sounds like it was unfortunately a very fair review. sigh...

i'm hoping vu just takes all this positive publicity and makes a real tribes 3, although it wont matter, by the time it comes out, i'll be married with children with no time for games...

as long as there are decent pubs i'll play. my hand is hurting from last nights 6 hour marathon...

Dang, I missed it.

Dang, I missed it.
Im sure it'll be on bittorrent in a day or two...

If by "new things" you mean horrible gameplay, horrible map design, horrible skiing, horrible player counts, lack of skill required to play, so on and so on etc you're absolutely right.

You look so cool trying to shove words in other peoples mouths.

Ah, and I still have the tape. Even though some of the things said may be valid. I don't think they really understood some of the more complex aspects of the game.

They were also extreme vauge on any changes except for the player count. Aside from the player count (which is sufficient as it is), they never made any specific reference to any negative points of the game. They just said it was average while doubiously avoiding several good qualities of the game.

My impression of thier review is: "They didn't get it. Anything more complex than Halo is too much for them to handle."

Ah, and I still have the tape. Even though some of the things said may be valid. I don't think they really understood some of the more complex aspects of the game.

They were also extreme vauge on any changes except for the player count. Aside from the player count (which is sufficient as it is), they never made any specific reference to any negative points of the game. They just said it was average while doubiously avoiding several good qualities of the game.

My impression of thier review is: "They didn't get it. Anything more complex than Halo is too much for them to handle."
That's how they tend to do their reviews, and likely have to, what with it being a television show. Anyone who buys games solely on their word is rather foolish in my opinion.

(64 player servers in T2 were often very unfun, turning into stupid team deathmatches / base raping as assaulting an enemy flag was painful. A huge lack of teamwork and overly complex bases / maps compounded the problem. I think 32 players or less was good, and on classic far more so. And classic is a mod =S)

Didn't see it here...

My only question is, did they make it *look* cool?
Ie, did they show some good gameplay clips or was it just a couple dorks talking about a game that you only get brief flashes of?

They gave it what I'd have to say "decent" coverage. They didnt show off the more "tribes-y" aspects, but then again they dont spend a lot of time on the intricacies of ANY game (name me a show that can?).

Overall I agree with the score, but I think they didnt MAKE their arguments very well *sigh*

You look so cool trying to shove words in other peoples mouths.

Then name the "new things" he's talking about tard.

edit: Why the hell did you reply to that? You really are a tard.