News: TribalWar Maps

Too many map sites already

jmomandown: don't get me wrong, I was a huge supporter and poster at T2maps.com since it opened so I have nothing against non-TW tribes sites. I think having the maps on TW will get them more publicity and it is also far more convenient for people.

like I said the map thing really wasn't what I was refering too, TW is although they may not admit it... trying to centralize everything of the community onto their site, and as you will find out in the future this is not a good thing. Its accually a quite prominent topic in the field of social economics, but I am not hear to preach, I told you my opinion thats good enough for me.

Dont give up on vengeancemaps.com. We'll need it for when TribalWar goes down once a week.

Hm... what ever happened to the DEV?

I mean, theres a whole section just for maps in there. So far there is 0 content.

* FishStix is confused of what its purpose is...

That's for tutorials and other information regarding the making of maps. The maps database is a warehouse to store what you make after reading the stuff on the dev site. What you're noticing is a lack of authorship of introductory material.

You won't see TW going down much at all in the near future. We're on a stable platform with a stable pipe right now. We also have a lot to offer in the bandwidth and storage department (we have 130+ gigs of file storage space which can be made bigger if needed). That combination makes TW an ideal location to be serving files.

You won't see TW going down much at all in the near future. We're on a stable platform with a stable pipe right now. We also have a lot to offer in the bandwidth and storage department (we have 130+ gigs of file storage space which can be made bigger if needed). That combination makes TW an ideal location to be serving files.
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I trust Tysoft's servers more than TW's, personally.

like I said the map thing really wasn't what I was refering too, TW is although they may not admit it... trying to centralize everything of the community onto their site, and as you will find out in the future this is not a good thing. Its accually a quite prominent topic in the field of social economics, but I am not hear to preach, I told you my opinion thats good enough for me.

Yeah, Not a Flame at all jmo. but i completly feel the other way about the situation. As a 5 Yr T1/t2/TV vet i am sick of there being 10+ sites needed to peruse to make sure 1 keeps up to breast in the Tribal World. I do understand the concept of Centralization vs de-centralization.. but int he case of gaming 1 strong site > Many Decent Diversified Sites as far as making sure the GENERAL PUBLIC and not just Elite community Vets know where to go to stay Informed.

I hope TW puts every facet of this game possible here. it doesnt prevent others from making similar sites but i daresay it is going to have a more positive outcome in regards to #s of Players with Informed Access.

Lets not all jump on the "You evil TW efftards are stealing all the fame/ideas" fest and focus on the betterment of the community rather than personal Fame for having the most popular T:V downloads site.

Now i know about both TW maps and Vengeance Maps (something i havent heard of before).. how can this be a bad thing?

Jmo, and Mindflayer, I see both your points. And I understand both your arguments. But I've gotta take jmo's side, if for another reason.

My reason, is purely personal interest (and close friends). With TW having -everything- and -anything-, it makes me feel like the 100's of $'s I've spent on my own site was money that I could have saved and spent on something else. And it makes me feel that the -wonderful- work that Obi has done with the old site, and Neo on the new site (which is looking beautiful, btw), pointless. Seems that they have spent those hours and hours of their freetime, doing free work, pointless. And lets not forget the "minor" admins whom have spent time adding this or that skin, or managing this or that thread (even if it was a really minor issue). Or even the few whom I have asked for specific help on various bits (IE: Gumz for help oh phpBB).

And that's just my site. What of other sites? I could tally the time and money spent on just mine alone, but how many others have put that time and money into their own sites, just to be - and I hate to say it - over shadowed and rather untouched?

Now, all that aside. I -do- like what TW has done, and I like the structure/design that they have used.

im game on being a reviewer. wont be nice to ppl, i'll show the weaknesses in the maps, but hell, i'll write.

I guess I will say the real reason I am upset.... I tracked a tribalwar staff member who I will not name on the vengeance maps forums, where I proceeded to watch him read all the suggestions as well as a post of what was going to be included in the vengeancemaps update (post now deleted to make sure no one else trys) then two days later I see maps.tribalwar.com go up with all those features.... thats what pissed me off more then anything. Once again like I said its great to have a centralized site and yes it helps the community... but only to a degree, when you have everything in one place its bad, this is a simple sociology proven fact.

when you have everything in one place its bad, this is a simple sociology proven fact.

What the hell are you talking about? No offense, but you're trying to make it sound like having a one-stop site for T:V is "sociologically" (eh?) bad when said yourself that your motivation behind this whole lame protest is simply because you're pissed it has content planned elsewhere. Sure, TW might not be the most stable or most respectul or whatever of sites, but if they want to have everything in one place, then it's up to the operators of other sites to make THEIR'S better, not simply bitch and moan and expect the competition, like TW, to quit. All you people who are complaining about a large site gaining more content... Suck it up and make your sites better. If you can't, tough luck, because obviously some sites can do it better. Otherwise you wouldn't have anything to complain about! :closet:

/sarcasm Yeah... Stuff in one place sure is bad. I hate it when I only have to go to Target to get clothes, housewares, movies, music, and electronics. I sure wish I could go to five stores instead, that'd be great!! Ooo, and I'd really like to go to three different markets to get vegetables, canned food, and meat too! Hey while we're at it, I'd really appreciate it if I could pay twenty different bills instead of two each month!!

...do you see how retarded that sounds? Come on man, quit the agenda. It's the freakin' Internet, moaning "why won't they stop growing their siiiiiiite?!" isn't going to do a damn thing.

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What the hell are you talking about? No offense, but you're trying to make it sound like having a one-stop site for T:V is "sociologically" (eh?) bad when said yourself that your motivation behind this whole lame protest is simply because you're pissed it has content planned elsewhere. Sure, TW might not be the most stable or most respectul or whatever of sites, but if they want to have everything in one place, then it's up to the operators of other sites to make THEIR'S better, not simply bitch and moan and expect the competition, like TW, to quit. All you people who are complaining about a large site gaining more content... Suck it up and make your sites better. If you can't, tough luck, because obviously some sites can do it better. Otherwise you wouldn't have anything to complain about! :closet:

/sarcasm Yeah... Stuff in one place sure is bad. I hate it when I only have to go to Target to get clothes, housewares, movies, music, and electronics. I sure wish I could go to five stores instead, that'd be great!! Ooo, and I'd really like to go to three different markets to get vegetables, canned food, and meat too! Hey while we're at it, I'd really appreciate it if I could pay twenty different bills instead of two each month!!

...do you see how retarded that sounds? Come on man, quit the agenda. It's the freakin' Internet, moaning "why won't they stop growing their siiiiiiite?!" isn't going to do a damn thing.

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The following is completely hypothetical:

You'll choke on your words when Collosus actually meets a girl, and stops paying attention to TW, then Yogi happens to get hit by a truck in a freak accident, all hell breaks loose, and TW goes to the shazbotter, along with every piece of Tribes content.

It sure is easy to make one side sound good by using extreme examples, eh?

That wasn't my point at all, and I don't plan on choking on anything. Here, I'll break it down nice'n'simple:

1) Don't bitch and moan about TW.
2) If a site thinks they can do better, then attempt to do so.
3a) If TW thrives, then said sites should continue to operate, regardless, and try to give a special extra "something" that would make people want to come there.
3b) If TW fails, then said sites will suddenly find less competition and others will be glad they stuck around (much the opposite of your little example).

The important parts are 1) don't complain and 2) do something about it, instead. You misunderstood in thinking I was saying TW should erase all other sites altogether when in fact my point was that rather than simply whining about TW, those who are whining should DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. Have a small map site, get together with four other sites and make a rival to TW, anything. But simply crying about it will do nothing.

Hope you understand now with my simple 1-2-3 Step Explanation. Thanks for your... uh, creative... post, though. :roller:

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That wasn't my point at all, and I don't plan on choking on anything. Here, I'll break it down nice'n'simple:

1) Don't bitch and moan about TW.
2) If a site thinks they can do better, then attempt to do so.
3a) If TW thrives, then said sites will continue to operate, regardless.
3b) If TW fails, then said sites will suddenly find less competition and others will be glad they stuck around.

The important parts are 1) don't complain and 2) do something about it, instead. You misunderstood in thinking I was saying TW should erase all other sites. Hope you understand now with my simple 1-2-3 Step Explanation. :roller:

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OK, who gives a shazbot?

My argument isn't about TW making a map database specifically, its about putting every piece of Tribes you can get, and all of our resources on a site that has a history of a crapload of downtime etc. :shrug:

I would say the same for ANY other site. I would say it for TWL, I would say it for house of style, anything.

Well good for you. So let me ask you, Mr. Hypocrite, why are YOU here then? Surely there are some other niche Tribes site you'd rather be visiting? Seems a little strange that you'd have such an issue with a large site such as TW, yet want to take the time to frequent the forums...

Still, you did miss the point of what I was saying, so hopefully you get it now. TW won't kill off other sites unless they give up, in which case it's no one's fault but the sites' operators. You're putting all your hope on one site simply by assuming "all our Tribes resources are at TW." Well... Do something about it! Make another site, help someone else run one, whatever.

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Well good for you. So let me ask you, Mr. Hypocrite, why are YOU here then? Surely there are some other niche Tribes site you'd rather be visiting? Seems a little strange that you'd have such an issue with a large site such as TW, yet want to take the time to frequent the forums...

Still, you did miss the point of what I was saying, so hopefully you get it now. TW won't kill off other sites unless they give up, in which case it's no one's fault but the sites' operators. You're putting all your hope on one site simply by assuming "all our Tribes resources are at TW." Well... Do something about it! Make another site, help someone else run one, whatever.

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Where did I say that TW shouldn't have forums or a ladder?

edit:: I made effing vengeancemaps.com BTW ;]

just stfu before we have nowhere to put our maps. i personally am happy because i thought "shazbot since t2maps.com is going down where are we going to put our maps" i am still going to place my maps on both sites because i believe its for the best of the community. I think having 2 is better then have 0 so just chill.

just stfu before we have nowhere to put our maps. i personally am happy because i thought "shazbot since t2maps.com is going down where are we going to put our maps" i am still going to place my maps on both sites because i believe its for the best of the community. I think having 2 is better then have 0 so just chill.
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I guess I will say the real reason I am upset.... I tracked a tribalwar staff member who I will not name on the vengeance maps forums, where I proceeded to watch him read all the suggestions as well as a post of what was going to be included in the vengeancemaps update (post now deleted to make sure no one else trys) then two days later I see maps.tribalwar.com go up with all those features.... thats what pissed me off more then anything. Once again like I said its great to have a centralized site and yes it helps the community... but only to a degree, when you have everything in one place its bad, this is a simple sociology proven fact.
Well, just an FYI. Back in August (more than 2 days ago) I asked Xionic to give me a maps site layout with the features T2Maps had. A week or so later he had something for me and I began coding. The job consisted of only the two of us. The site was done friday (again, more than two days ago) where we did a little internal testing before I asked a few mappers for some seed material so there was something there when we opened it up.

There's no conspiracy here. Way back when we saw a void and decided to fill it. Just because someone else came out with something doesn't mean we're going to throw away months worth of work. Everything with the site except for the search engine was done in mid-October but with the move to SCI development was put on hold for a few weeks otherwise it would have been out sooner.