Why doesnt the game run so great?

also this should be obvious, but if you have a geforce fx don't enable pixel shaders 2.0

If i load up ut2k4 i get 70's fps in high battles. I usually run that game 4xaa and 16xaf. with high quality settings and maxed out ut2k4 settings...

2500+ amd
gf4ti4600
512mb 3200ddr
msi nforce2 mobo

i run a steady 35 fps midfight and about 50 the rest of the time. gonna get a 9800 soon.

2500+ amd
gf4ti4600
512mb 3200ddr
msi nforce2 mobo

i run a steady 35 fps midfight and about 50 the rest of the time. gonna get a 9800 soon.

o/c your 2500+ while you are at it... healthy boost for free long as you get it stable.

It sounds like an nvidia driver issue, nobody with a good ati card (good meaning enough pipes and performance, not that borked shaz like the 9600) seems to be having any stutter or frame lag at all

I've said in other threads - athlon 1800 xp, 1 gig ram, 9500 pro overclock... all settings to high, except shadows at medium, fogging at ultra... and I have no problems, same tons of fps performance as any unreal based game


Are you kidding? There are entire threads of ati users (including me with a 9800 pro) having poor performance. It's the game, not the hardware or drivers. It seems as though if you have a gf4 you're golden, but anything above that and you're screwed.

Rather than make baseless claims about what 'should' be fixed and guess how much FPS is 'bad' for each person. I just ran a benchmark with Fraps on |CO|Evolution server with 24 ppl. Also included a benchmark done in UT that I made a while ago on my fave server.

2004-07-14 22:10:28 - UT2004
Frames: 88398 - Time: 1827301ms - Avg: 48.376 - Min: 0 - Max: 400

2004-10-17 14:03:37 - TV_CD_DVD
Frames: 55301 - Time: 1108784ms - Avg: 49.875 - Min: 1 - Max: 81

UT benchmark was done on a 26 man Assault server using settings below. Not sure what the map was but all of the Assault maps get pretty intensive with 26 ppl.
http://img90.exs.cx/img90/5174/UT2004settings.th.jpg (http://img90.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img90&image=UT2004settings.jpg)

T:V was done using settings below on MP-Highlands. Was capping so there was plenty of explosions and chaos on flag grabs/chases. Lots of action.
http://img90.exs.cx/img90/2919/tvsetting.th.jpg (http://img90.exs.cx/my.php?loc=img90&image=tvsetting.jpg)

A quick run around on my own starting up a game on MP-Highlands capping flag twice was:

2004-10-17 14:54:08 - TV_CD_DVD
Frames: 7005 - Time: 115918ms - Avg: 60.430 - Min: 36 - Max: 102

Thats a whopping 10 fps average different from hosting a server with no shots fired and a 24 man server guns blazing. That sounds perfectly normal to me. I can't speak for tourney mode but regular play theres no magic 20 man limit.

Specs:
XP 2500+ @ 2.145 Ghz
768 MB PC 3200
Radeon 9600 Pro

You must be one of the lucky ones then, my averages in T:V dip down into the low 25-30's...
my Specs:
xp 3000 @ 2300
1 gb pc 3200
bfg geforce 6800 oc(@ 400 1100)
audigy gamer 2

I've always felt the Unreal engine is CPU bound especially with a lot of activity. Running the UT2k3 benchmark gives FPS in the 100s easy but actual in-game performance is closer to the results from botmatch benchmark. The only ppl I know whose FPS doesn't dip past 50s while playing a loaded Assault or Onslaught server are those running A64 chips.

Run a benchmark with Fraps you might be suprised to find your average FPS is higher than you think. Ppl tend to ony notice worst case specially after an expensive upgrade.

There's still a problem when geforce 4's are outperforming geforce 6's (or VERY close to it) with the same settings. Something is very, very wrong.

I tend to run in game fps over fraps, it is more consitant.

I tend to run in game fps over fraps, it is more consitant.

Stat fps updates the FPS display faster but its the same info. Plus the average FPS shown on stat fps is bs. You can be starring at the sky at 100 fps for 10 minutes and the second it goes to 30 fps it will show and average of 30 fps.

There's still a problem when geforce 4's are outperforming geforce 6's (or VERY close to it) with the same settings. Something is very, very wrong.

If its the exact same rig with the only diff being the geforces then the first thing I would check out is mobo AGP specs and PSU cause the 6800s draw a lot more power.

Are you kidding? There are entire threads of ati users (including me with a 9800 pro) having poor performance. It's the game, not the hardware or drivers. It seems as though if you have a gf4 you're golden, but anything above that and you're screwed.


works fine for me on a 9500 pro :p

I really don't get this game. On good comps it runs shazbotty on shazbotty comps it runs well. I mean I am playing T:V on medium settings with a 1024 resolution with a 1ghz machine with 512mb ram and a quadro 4 pro xgl (128mb) and I get decent framerates, it is extremely playable. Soon I am getting a 2.8ghz with ht and a gig of ram with the same quadro but I dont know what this game has in it. Maybe it was the cachemegs thing that I changed but it funs fine on my 1.0ghz box.

this happens all the time with games because newer cards = much worse support... there will be driver updates and patches but it's just something you have to deal with the latest technology, that's why I don't bother, that and it's expensive :p

I have:
Athlon 64 3400+
x800 pro 256
Gig PC-3200
Asus K8V SE Deluxe

I use the latest ATI drivers (which actually seems to be an improvement preformance-wise from 4.8 which I was using before).

...and I have bad fps issues. I expected with this system to not drop below 60 fps (or very rarely). I get great fps in my own server usually 100-90, and in other servers when there is not moving players in my view. Once there are any moving players in my view my fps will drop significantly into the 50's or 40's. With a little bit of action (such as me and another player chasing a capper) it will often drop into the 30's. In really large fights with alot of action it gets into the 20's.

Switching graphics settings or resolution makes little/no difference. Even with Low/Off everything and 800x600 I still get bad frames. I've also tried several different sets of drivers and versions, and not had any luck.

There has been atleast 2 other threads with people posting similar problems on similar systems, mainly those using ATI cards.

i just dont see how most ppl can drop 10 fps between the Demo-->Retail
1 machine
P4 2.4
512 ram
Geforce 3 ti200 64mb
xp i was getting 30+ fps, now it wont go over 23 EVER

other machine i run
p4 2.4
1.5 gigs ram <--- just put in a gig yesterday
Geforce Fx5200 128
xp i was getting over 40(before new ram) and after only got 15-35... what could they have added to make frame rates frop so much?

This me in an empty hosted server with everything on low expect fog which is on ultra high, 1024x768 res and a fov of 120.Now come back with a screenshot in the same spot


http://knight.ownsu.org/Shot00000.JPG


AMD Barton 2500+ @ 2GHZ
Radeon 9600 PRO 128
Soltek SL-75MRN-L
Windows XP Pro SP1
Corsair 512 PC2700

this happens all the time with games because newer cards = much worse support... there will be driver updates and patches but it's just something you have to deal with the latest technology, that's why I don't bother, that and it's expensive :p

This is happening with 9800's too, which was last generation.

EDIT:
works fine for me on a 9500 pro :p

Yeah, and I bet my 9800 pro performs worse. Go figure.

This isn't a Tribes Vengeance specific problem. Whenever a new game comes out there are always a ton of people in the forums complaining about the poor performance of their uber rigs. 99% of the time the poor performance is due to poorly configured rigs or too much crap running in the backround. My 9800pro performs great for a year old card, and my buddy gets a pretty consistant 80fps with his 6800GT, which means that it is definitely not a universal problem that T:V has with these pieces of hardware.

Reformat, reinstall windows, and update all your drivers. Learn a little bit about your BIOS and optimize it. Try out different settings in your BIOS, that's how I learned. Some settings like AGP Aperture Size work well set to high values for some games, but work better set to low values for others. Make sure your RAM is configured as duel channel. Sometimes one little setting within your BIOS can mean the difference of 10fps.