[TV] MA Mortars...

It's wonderful how you attempt to correct others and then proceed to use 'laser' with a Z... Besides, there's a visible beam, and even in fairly dusty air that's quite a bit of visible output.

You can argue that there must then be an appeciable energy transfer from the beam itself into the target in addition to the fringe visible scattering, so the rifle still has a laser damage-dealing component. :)

It's wonderful how you attempt to correct others and then proceed to use 'laser' with a Z... Besides, there's a visible beam, and even in fairly dusty air that's quite a bit of visible output.

You can argue that there must then be an appeciable energy transfer from the beam itself into the target in addition to the fringe visible scattering, so the rifle still has a laser damage-dealing component. :)

except the beam making the vaccuum tunnel isn't strong enough to penetrate the tribal armor (remember, the armor doesn't work like platemail, it generates a field that is actually what gives the majority of the protection. Why Starwolf females in the future (tribes 1) can wear armored bikini's and still be just as safe ;) ) thus there is no laser damage component involved. Though I agree it IS still a laser making the tunnel ;)

Besides, there's a visible beam, and even in fairly dusty air that's quite a bit of visible output.


Super heated air! Sorta like lightening... dunno why it's red tho.

Oh yeah!
'cause it's a game 'n it looks cool! :p


Actually, if I was to explain that sucker, would prolly say it's laser accelerated. What ever the bullet is made from, it's actually pulled along the visable beam. Since the projectial is smaller than the beam, what you are actually seeing is distortion caused by refraction of the back and sides of the bullet.

Heehee... anyway you slice it, BS is still BS tho!

1. I spell lazer with a 'z' purposely. Why? I don't know. Is it stupid? You bet.

2. The 'lazer tunnel' does not fend off gravity, unfortunately. I believe the original concept stated that the mechanism that times the life of the lazer and the firing of the shell is tuned for a maximum distance. So the lazer tunnel would be gone before the bullet dropped from the area the tunnel occupied.

All the tunnel is suppose to do is allow for some pretty wicked velocity. Which I imagine would be possible if there was no matter in the bullets way for a couple thousand yards lol.

P.S. The lazer tunnel simply doesn't damage Tribal armor.

Where are you getting this claim that it's a bullet? In the absence of any positive claim on the developer's part, the natural assumption would be that it's a chemical laser, and the "ammo" is simply a chemical catalyst.

Sure, one could use a laser to create a vacuum tunnel. . .I guess. . .It wouldn't really do much for velocity, though. What really limits velocity is the barrel itself. The friction of the barrel limits the velocity; on the other hand, a shorter barrel means the projectile gets less acceleration from the propelling charge. Air resistance will be negligible, especially compared to gravity (bullet drop) and windage. Those effects are going to pull the projectile out of the supposed tunnel within, oh, 50 feet, anyway.

Where are you getting this claim that it's a bullet? In the absence of any positive claim on the developer's part, the natural assumption would be that it's a chemical laser, and the "ammo" is simply a chemical catalyst.

Sure, one could use a laser to create a vacuum tunnel. . .I guess. . .It wouldn't really do much for velocity, though. What really limits velocity is the barrel itself. The friction of the barrel limits the velocity; on the other hand, a shorter barrel means the projectile gets less acceleration from the propelling charge. Air resistance will be negligible, especially compared to gravity (bullet drop) and windage. Those effects are going to pull the projectile out of the supposed tunnel within, oh, 50 feet, anyway.

Here ya go noobster.

http://www.the-junkyard.net/gallery-tvengeance.php?action=vie wpicture&game=tvengeance&id=372

It's a bullet.

Are you kidding me?

Jesus christ.
You can't even shoot them beyond visual range anymore, and now they blow up in midair?

no, range is longer then visible, but there is a max range as well. we tested this all out a loooong time ago

Air resistance will be negligible, especially compared to gravity (bullet drop) and windage.

No windage in a vacuum.

Here ya go noobster.

http://www.the-junkyard.net/gallery-tvengeance.php?action=vie wpicture&game=tvengeance&id=372

It's a bullet.

Hmm... intersting bit in that link...

"The vanes on the front open out wider depending on the power of the shot."

Sounds like it was supposed to be a "charge up" weapon originally, eh?

Here ya go noobster.

http://www.the-junkyard.net/gallery-tvengeance.php?action=vie wpicture&game=tvengeance&id=372

It's a bullet.

OWNED :rofl:

No windage in a vacuum.

I guarantee that vacuum tunnel will be rapidly bustigated by the wind.

Okay, it's a bullet. I guess that we can count on general scientific ineptitude from game producers as well as the rest of the populace.

Might have something to do with all the mortar cheats that were created for T2.

I guarantee that vacuum tunnel will be rapidly bustigated by the wind.

Meh, due to the velocity of the projectile, which is supposed to be delivered at a "near" instantaneous speed, wind "bustigation" would hardly be a factor. I would just think that the person could shoot worth a shazbot.... :roller:

I guarantee that vacuum tunnel will be rapidly bustigated by the wind.

Okay, it's a bullet. I guess that we can count on general scientific ineptitude from game producers as well as the rest of the populace.

Busticated?

And if that is what you meant...

The concept only tells us that it is a 'carrier beam'. We do not know the properties of it. Hell, it might not even be refracted/focused light or a chemical lazer.

It could be something totally sci-fi, like plasma energy, or gamma wave harmonics, etc. This is a game remember hehe.

Windage would not be a factor.

I'll draw up a little crappy picture of how I think it works later.

an *extremely* high velocity rifle round will barely beat 4000 fps muzzle velocity. That's a wildcatted .22-250 which is an extremely light bullet. (This will burn out the barrel pretty quickly too). The limitation isn't propellant technology, so much as barrell friction. Incidentally that drops to about 3600 fps at 100 yards, and the effect of air resistance on this deceleration is pretty low.
This round drifts nearly an inch over 100 yards in a 10 mph crosswind. That's right out of the supposed vacuum tunnel.

So I suppose somehow the muzzle velocity limitations are overcome. Then we are talking some serious velocity. The laser tunnel will be contributing nearly nothing. Perhaps it affects the deceleration over distance. But due to bullet drop (and windage - it just isn't going to take much to nudge that projectile out of the tunnel), the bullet won't even be in the tunnel long enough for it to make any interesting difference, even if it's travelling at double the velocity of a wildcatted .22-250.

As for long long range - you don't even want to know how much a projectile drops over 500 yards or so (which isnt even particularily long range).

Would you stop with the technical crap? This is a game where people ski down a hill with no snow (and no skis for that matter).