Team stacking getting worse and worse:

bitraiser.. trying to get the tw community to play nice is like trying to a dog to do algebra. right or wrong, it can't be done, stop trying and stop getting flustered over it unless you enjoy "yelling" on internet forums.

tribes is a hard game. move, ski, fire, jet, repair, duel, chase, etc. etc. a ton of stuff that has to be covered if a team is to be successful, pub or match play. that said, pubbing will always be a crap shoot, with pretty lousy odds. throw in the elite vets and you have what you see today. you want to revolutionize the community's attitude? you should apply for menzo's job. i'm not knocking your desire to 'make better' the world, i'm just telling you that you're at the wrong place to do it.

bitraiser.. trying to get the tw community to play nice is like trying to a dog to do algebra. right or wrong, it can't be done, stop trying and stop getting flustered over it unless you enjoy "yelling" on internet forums.


No worries, this I know. Everyonce and awhile it's good for the soul to cut a little bit loose, tho. Ya know?

Really not flustered in the slightest. Too many idiots in RL to worry about to let some dork on a games forum bother me.

HOWEVER (I say that alot don't I?)

It is worth while to point out the destructive impact that elitisem has on the market. Some folks just don't think about it unless you push it into their face. If they have a brain in their head, they might just realize that being a dork in a public server is a good way to damage something they care about.

any team that im on is considered stacked.

Yeah... you and Pam Anderson :p

It is worth while to point out the destructive impact that elitisem has on the market. Some folks just don't think about it unless you push it into their face. If they have a brain in their head, they might just realize that being a dork in a public server is a good way to damage something they care about.

you insinuate the problem with pubs is the elitists.

Yes... yes I do. Infact, I don't think I insinuated at all.
I was being fairly blunt about it.

Part of the problem anyway.

The scoring system doesn't help much. Nor does small map sizes (too easy to find a fire fight to get wrapped up in, instead of doing something useful).

I just played a map that had a score of 4-5. On emerald none the less. The stacking is natural on some servers and I've noticed it in T1 and T2 also (though worse on non-randomizing servers).

If the small map sizes and scoring (which is in every other mp game) were not factors, chances are the same team would lose but by a smaller margin. The players are still easily distracted, and still care about personal gain, they may not show it as much but the underlying feelings probably can't be zapped out of them. It would only appear that the problem is fixed.

I made an attempt to look at ways to minimize the Personal Glory aspects of pubs... but folks seemed disinclined to talk rationally about that too (go fig, eh?).

Just for referance sake, look here: http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?t=326895

Yes... yes I do. Infact, I don't think I insinuated at all.
I was being fairly blunt about it.

Part of the problem anyway.

The scoring system doesn't help much. Nor does small map sizes (too easy to find a fire fight to get wrapped up in, instead of doing something useful).
so, a player that is good at the game and nows how to play a role on a team is more of a problem than a person that isnt as good and doesnt know what he does or doesnt need to do?

so, a player that is good at the game and nows how to play a role on a team is more of a problem than a person that isnt as good and doesnt know what he does or doesnt need to do?

Best to try to understand the terminology before you try to argue with it.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?r=2&q=elitism

e·lit·ism or é·lit·ism ( P ) Pronunciation Key (-ltzm, -l-)
n.
The belief that certain persons or members of certain classes or groups deserve favored treatment by virtue of their perceived superiority, as in intellect, social status, or financial resources.

The sense of entitlement enjoyed by such a group or class.
Control, rule, or domination by such a group or class.


It has nothing to do with how good you actually are, it has to do with your attitude.

you assume people like myself treat nubs badly in pubs. that happens very rarely in my experience in pubs.

for the most part people only communicate to others when they feel someone has done something stupid.

this community is usually quite helpful to people that ask questions nicely btw. if you dont know how to do something ask.

the real problem with pubs though is people just dont care. you can have an equal skill base on each team and one team could still easily dominate the other for many reasons.

again, youre expecting far to much from average pub play.

like i said before, shuffling doesnt do anything. shuffling has been around in the past sometimes it worked ok most often it didnt.

No, it never makes things fair and balanced... :huh:

Then lets impliment it ok? Why not if it does nothing at all.....

that isnt for irrational to waste time on IMO. it was implimented in the past via the community.

hell we are both assuming this option isnt already in the admin functions of the engine ... lemme see if i can find some UT server commands to answer that for theboth of us.

then again if it does exsist this all comes back full circle to good (nazi) administration.

no, the functionality doesnt exsist in the UT server commands.

who knows maybe only epic or irrational would have the ability to add this functionality to the engine. if that were the case it aint gunna happen. but you never know.

you assume people like myself treat nubs badly in pubs.

Notice you don't actually deny it. Are you learning nuance? My my. If you want to be specific, you should add a qualifier of "in T1" because otherwise...

ok t2 noob.
you havent mentioned anything that actually works in competition. therefore its worthless. what happens on pubs means nothing.
understand though that many of you cant handle that kind of gameplay.
further, there are many people who have never played tribes before trying out the demo. these people ahve less of a clue than the tribes2 llamas.
t2 sucks get a life queer.
you have no clue what youre talking about. youre so wrong i dont even know where to begin insulting you. wait till competition rolls around t2 noob
all these T2 retards

You are truly the soul of compassion and understanding.

this is a forum meant to discuss/flame/whathave you

pubs are held on public servers where a game is to be played.

on forums i do normal forum type activities.

on game server i play the game.

see a difference?

buttknuckle

hahaha

I'd want your team to split up too. If you insist on playing together to the detriment of the whole server(unless you all suck), why not just go play on your own?

Team stacking on a pub is for kiddies who don't know better.

to be modest we are a decent team. we win more than we lose.

we do go and play on our own. but hey we like to pub also.

i always follow the server rules. but dont split my team.

and to be fair i usually, on pubs, send our cappers out with orders to get me a 6 cap lead, then i rotate my guys around. the best training, for us, is to mix it up.......... (train as you play)

we dont do the 30 - 0 thing........... its not fun for the other team. but thats just how my team operates.

you assume people like myself treat nubs badly in pubs. that happens very rarely in my experience in pubs.

this community is usually quite helpful to people that ask questions nicely btw. if you dont know how to do something ask.
Welcome to Bizzaro world!
for the most part people only communicate to others when they feel someone has done something stupid.
Note that this directly contradicts your previous arguement.
again, youre expecting far to much from average pub play.
No, we expect too much out of people who claim to care about Tribes. Also, my motivation in this isn't to get pubs up to the organization level of matches, I just want to make pubs more fun.
the real problem with pubs though is people just dont care.
No, it's that most people around here don't care. And that many TWers base their self worth on being dismissive of pubs, members, players who haven't been on a Top 10 team, etc. Believe me, the 85%+ of T:V players who will NEVER play in an organized match care a great deal about pubs. That is why some people must step forward and take the lead in making them better.

No, it's that most people around here don't care. And that many TWers base their self worth on being dismissive of pubs, members, players who haven't been on a Top 10 team, etc. Believe me, the 85%+ of T:V players who will NEVER play in an organized match care a great deal about pubs. That is why some people must step forward and take the lead in making them better.

*claps*

MaD_ReBeL, you just got yer arse owned.