Sitting in my server today...

I go and watch this dude and he has an invie in light. He goes behind the enemy base and deploys the inventory station. He then whips out a sniper rifle and starts shooting away. He acctually had the balls to duck behind a rock formation after every shot... and then run away if someone god forbid acctually chased after him.

I told the dude to stop it and apparently he thought this was a rediculous rule.

Generally speaking I'm alright with O sniping, my default light loadout HAS a sniper rifle as the primary weapon. But when I see some dude taking an inventory away from the team, and acctually ducking behind rocks after every shot I begin to think... this is effing unacceptable.

I'd like to bring up this discussion AGAIN. And make it very clear to anyone who has just started this game recently as to WHY this is not acceptable. Seems to me like alot of newbies think that things like turtling and o-sniping may be acceptable here but it really isn't.


- My very first point is that in the previous games the sniper rifle was entirely energy based. Now it has an ammo limit on it. The very reason why they did this is to prevent people camping at some remote location where things like discs and chaingun fire can't reach you. You can search for it in the dev tracker, and if the developers feel that they had to put an ammo limit on the sniper rifle to prevent what people are doing now, then thats more than enough reason to make rules against it in our servers.

- My second point I'd like to make is that you hurt the team by not doing shazbot. I mean really, you could do so many other things to help the team like guard the flag, or attack the enemy base. But really sniping doesn't help your team, it helps you. If you think that shooting at people who have just spawned and have taken no travel time to get to where they are helps the team your an idiot. It takes at least 2 seconds away from thier shedule if you O snipe, if you stayed at your base and dueled heavies as they came in, you easilly took off 25 seconds of thier time in the game, and most of all you prevented them from raping you base!!!

- Third point is that your simply O sniping for the points. Theres something called point-whoring now. And it can be a good or bad thing. A good example is repairing things like the generator or the sensor. A bad example is rushing towards the flag to return it when without a doubt it will be returned by the person who just killed the flag carrier. O sniping undoubtibly falls into the negative zone because your doing something counter productive for your team. Instead your shooting at people in hopes of getting O and S points regardless of what the flag cap scoreboard says. Whats really important to you is the score thats placed next to you at the end of each map. Thats wrong, it is not right. People will get pissed off because thier team sucks because they were essentially playing 1 man down because some dude felt the need to O snipe.

- Fourth point is that it takes practically no skill at all. Now sniping is a bit harder in this build of T:V but really... theres no gamble or risk involved with shooting someone if he can't shoot back at you. He really can't shoot back at you if you duck behind a hill or rock right after your shot. So really it takes no skill at all. I watch people with the sniper rifle and if they can expose themsleves and leave a fair fighting change for thier target, then I'll allow it but really sitting a million miles out doesn't give much of a fighting chance for who your shooting at,

- Fifth thing is that your taking an inventory station. It's for your own personal use and cannot be used by 2 LD. It cannot be used by anyone on defense and it cannot be used to let heavies stock up before they go in for the rape. The truth is, taking an inventory station is helping no one but yourself. So why do it?


This game is a team oriented game, so everyone should do their best to play as a team player. Bottom line is, you do not help the team by performing this action, you only help yourself. You take away tools from the team that could help them defend against the other team. Lastly you abuse the sniper rifle in such a way that it makes it impossible for anyone else to attack you, how is it fair to them? Is it fair to them if you do this the majority of the map? It gets annoying and when things are annoying they aren't fun. My job as a server admin is to keep things fun so thats why I enforce these rules.

What pisses me off the most about all these things is how some people who have never played Tribes before justify it because it's possible in other games. First off Tribes was never meant to be just *any other game*, secondly I don't take well to a new player telling me whats right considering I've played this game since T1.

Hopefully some of you new players will take this the right way, if not discuss it here and not in my server. I'm not willing to debate thing ingame, and I'm more than willing to throw out kicks/bans if you think otherwise.

And of course the cliffs for the vets:

-Newb O-Snipes in server
-I tell the newb to stop
-Newb tells me to eff off and that he knows better
-I ban newb
-I list the many reasons why O-sniping is not allowed in several severs.

I have now stopped arguing with people. I say stop and if the next word is something other than "OK" then I boot them.

I have now stopped arguing with people. I say stop and if the next word is something other than "OK" then I boot them.

:signed:

This is the way it should always be.

Same ol shazbot.
Sure, if you are on a server, you should respect the local rules no ifs, ands, or buts.

However, I started reading your discription of this particular guy and thought "Sounds like a perty smart sniper to me". He didn't make off with the ONLY inventory did he? Sounds like his attacks might have been quite handy for disrupting the enemy's defenses and possibly (if he was a desent shot) for nailing enemy cappers on the return.

If the team he was attacking couldn't get it together to go out and spank this guy and/or blow away his inventory, who's fault is that? It's not like he can HIDE out there or anything! Damned omnipotent sensor makes that impossible.

New game, new strats is what I say. Deal or die. ;)
(That's not withstanding the point that if it's your server you have the right to do with it as you will. The only question is, do you really need to enforce this stuff?)

I didn't get past the first 4 or 5 lines.

Your typical "play by MY PREFERENCES or die" type post.

Let people play how they wanna play.

If it's in the game, it's in the game.

:p

(PS - If you want your server to be played a specific way, by specific rules, then password it and only give it out to those interested in playing by said rules. Else, it's a Pub and anything goes.)

If it's in the game, it's in the game.


I hope you get sued by EA.

:lol:

I gave 5 perfectly good reasons why I don't tolerate O-Sniping. Turtling is in the game, and if I set myself up with a repair turret, 3 cg turrets, an inventory station and a shield pack in heavy I could easilly hold the enemy flag for the entire game.

It would make pubbing in my server boring and fustrating to the other team. Even if it is in the game, it makes the game unfun and thats exactly why I enforce these rules. New players should be able to get a feel for Tribes without being fustrated by people who resort to cheap tactics for thier own pleasure. It simply is not tolerated.

You leave out the possibility that new players are getting into tribes by using 'cheap' tactics and without them they wouldn't be able to compete against people who have been playing tribes for the last 4 years non-stop.

Really the whole idea of making up a list of rules, then giving said list of rules slang names, then only refering to those rules by their slang names, then booting random people for not following said rules, is totally delusional.

I hate to break it to you but your average tribes player probably has never visited this website or any other messageboard devoted to tribes. They have no idea what O-sniping or base rape is. They have no idea what turtling is. If you say HD they think your talking about Hard-Drives.

Its totally crazy if you expect random people on a public server to follow some extranious list of rules that is probably never described to them. If you don't like it then either password the server or sit in it 24/7 kicking people who don't have a clue what your talking about.

Arcanox, try to be more innovative next time. You got the same wah wah story the 5150 guys tell on a daily basis...

If O-Sniping is against the rules on a particular server, don't do it.

Simple as that.

I always get a chuckle out of "It's in the game" defences.

By that logic, if they added unlimited orbital nuclear strikes--that kill everything on the map friend or foe--it wouldn't be the least bit lame or stupid...and to complain about it would make you a fuxing noob; "because it's part of the game".

Shut up and go back to AWP whoring in CS lol.

Ya know, a big part of the problem with things like this is that the points system rewards players for going off and doing what ever the fook as long as it involves killing.

I tried to get a thread going on the subject and got alot of people diggin their heals in and not willing to look at the issue.

Then they bitch about it when it happens in game.

Funny world, eh?

I would have snuck up behind him, set him on fire with the burnerator, then kickbanned him. If only real life were so simple and satisfying.

You leave out the possibility that new players are getting into tribes by using 'cheap' tactics and without them they wouldn't be able to compete against people who have been playing tribes for the last 4 years non-stop.

Really the whole idea of making up a list of rules, then giving said list of rules slang names, then only refering to those rules by their slang names, then booting random people for not following said rules, is totally delusional.

I hate to break it to you but your average tribes player probably has never visited this website or any other messageboard devoted to tribes. They have no idea what O-sniping or base rape is. They have no idea what turtling is. If you say HD they think your talking about Hard-Drives.

Its totally crazy if you expect random people on a public server to follow some extranious list of rules that is probably never described to them. If you don't like it then either password the server or sit in it 24/7 kicking people who don't have a clue what your talking about.


this is probably the best side to this discussion i've read in a LONG time, and it came from a member. i sense potential in you, i might have to go ahead and adopt you

Other than the points listed, whats wrong with O sniping.
I do it, and will continue to do it to non members

You leave out the possibility that new players are getting into tribes by using 'cheap' tactics and without them they wouldn't be able to compete against people who have been playing tribes for the last 4 years non-stop.


So your saying it's fair and that new players should be able to do this and use it as a handicap. This game was never meant to have handicaps and resorting to cheap tactics like that shouldn't compensate for your lack of experience. If the devs wanted to give new players a better chance, they would have given them an extra 100 points of health and unlimited ammo.

Also I'd like for you to explain how sitting back 500 meters from the base and sniping makes them better at something useful like chasing, or heavy offense. It doesn't so resorting to cheap tactics never will help to bring them up to par with everyone else so why even allow it?

Last thing is, I warn people. If they ask what it is I tell them. I understand there are new people here but when they start questioning these rules that I've clearly explained to them, I decide to post here to get my message out to people in fine detail.

So your saying it's fair and that new players should be able to do this and use it as a handicap. This game was never meant to have handicaps and resorting to cheap tactics like that shouldn't compensate for your lack of experience. If the devs wanted to give new players a better chance, they would have given them an extra 100 points of health and unlimited ammo.

Also I'd like for you to explain how sitting back 500 meters from the base and sniping makes them better at something useful like chasing, or heavy offense. It doesn't so resorting to cheap tactics never will help to bring them up to par with everyone else so why even allow it?

Last thing is, I warn people. If they ask what it is I tell them. I understand there are new people here but when they start questioning these rules that I've clearly explained to them, I decide to post here to get my message out to people in fine detail.


i didn't bother to read this but the truth is, to eliminate O-sniping the sniper rifle would have to be taken out of the game completly. there is no other way you are going to stop people from o sniping

i didn't bother to read this but the truth is, to eliminate O-sniping the sniper rifle would have to be taken out of the game completly. there is no other way you are going to stop people from o sniping

I realise that, but I'm performing damage control and informing new people about the do's and don'ts of the rifle. And I find kicking/banning people who don't listen works quite well. The least I could do to prevent this is putting out a solid arguement to make people think twice about doing this.

good luck

I didn't get past the first 4 or 5 lines.

Your typical "play by MY PREFERENCES or die" type post.

Let people play how they wanna play.

If it's in the game, it's in the game.

:p

(PS - If you want your server to be played a specific way, by specific rules, then password it and only give it out to those interested in playing by said rules. Else, it's a Pub and anything goes.)

im gonna be argumentive and agree with this post.