The more I see, the more I don't believe an aircraft hit the Pentagon.

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Dead Ben
09-15-2004, 04:00 PM
it's all bs...I work in a building that can see the pentagon and people at my work saw that shit happen. I might not like some of them, but I believe them over a website.

Dead Ben
09-15-2004, 04:00 PM
and anyway...if it was a missile what happened to all the passengers?

DocHolliday
09-15-2004, 04:01 PM
Missile attack eh? What the fuck kind of missile caused that kind of damage to a hardened fucking facility like the Pentagon?

Why did the fire last to long? Was this missile full of jet fuel? Wtf?

Only missile I know that could do that would be a Airliner.

Calder
09-15-2004, 04:03 PM
ITS THE PENTAGON Trying to COVER UP their secrets and lies by blowing them up, and using that as an excuse.

~@!`!!!

JuggerNaught
09-15-2004, 04:05 PM
why you people continue to argue with such an intellectually defunct person is completely beyond me, and I'm not just saying that because he's succeeded in insulting me more than I've been insulted in quite some time.
and yet you still cant explain why one jet in pennsylvania has an initial debris field of probably 2 acres, and a second debris field 8 miles away and dug out a 25 feet deep crater on impact, yet the same jet hitting the pentagon didnt even scrape the grass.

DocHolliday
09-15-2004, 04:06 PM
and yet you still cant explain why one jet in pennsylvania has an initial debris field of probably 2 acres, and a second debris field 8 miles away and dug out a 25 feet deep crater on impact, yet the same jet hitting the pentagon didnt even scrape the grass.


Plane hitting field versus plane hitting a hardened building like the pentagon. Hrm, lets think about that one.

If a plane hits something hard enough everything in the impact is scredded down to things no bigger then a can of pop.

Don't believe me? Take a look at the commuter plane that hit the Everglades back in the early 90's. The data recorder was nearly destroyed in that crash and those things are supposed to be indestructable as long as they aren't being melted in a fire.

-iA- Sass
09-15-2004, 04:06 PM
why you people continue to argue with such an intellectually defunct person is completely beyond me, and I'm not just saying that because he's succeeded in insulting me more than I've been insulted in quite some time.

Just because you had your fill 15 pages ago doesn't mean others can't continue to marvel at his genius. Besides, I got here late.

Kerosene31
09-15-2004, 04:07 PM
and yet you still cant explain why one jet in pennsylvania has an initial debris field of probably 2 acres, and a second debris field 8 miles away and dug out a 25 feet deep crater on impact, yet the same jet hitting the pentagon didnt even scrape the grass.

Because the plane in Pennsylvania crashed almost straight down, and at a very high speed, while the plane in the Pentagon flew level in order to hit the target.

Also the plane that hit the Pentagon HIT concrete as opposed to the other which hit grass.

I seriously hope you are just trolling, I never thought you were this stupid.

Dead Ben
09-15-2004, 04:07 PM
No two car crashes are the same either. It must be those people driving missiles around.

JuggerNaught
09-15-2004, 04:09 PM
Plane hitting field versus plane hitting a hardened building like the pentagon. Hrm, lets think about that one.

Right...lets think about that.

Lets think how a plane that is 155 feet long, 144 feet wide and 225,000 lbs, can hit a building with such force that it crumples the entire plane, luggage, people, seating, from nose to tail into a hole that is only about 65 feet deep and makes it all disappear, yet didnt go through the back wall of the same ring on the pentagon.

JuggerNaught
09-15-2004, 04:11 PM
Because the plane in Pennsylvania crashed almost straight down, and at a very high speed, while the plane in the Pentagon flew level in order to hit the target.

Also the plane that hit the Pentagon HIT concrete as opposed to the other which hit grass.

I seriously hope you are just trolling, I never thought you were this stupid.

So what you are saying is that a pilot that was trained on a cessna brought in a 757 level with the ground, low enough for the building to catch ever single part of that plane in the hole, but high enough not to disturb the grass or mark up the land?

the plane was 44 feet tall, the building is 77 feet tall so the cessna trained pilot brought in this huge aircraft at 300+ mphand had about 15 feet to play with either way...all while staring his own imminent death in the face and was able to do so?

find it hard to believe.

Kerosene31
09-15-2004, 04:13 PM
So what you are saying is that a pilot that was trained on a cessna brought in a 757 level with the ground, low enough for the building to catch ever single part of that plane in the hole, but high enough not to disturb the grass or mark up the land?

Yes. You saw the other two hit the towers near dead center. Those things weren't much wider than the wingspan of the plane.

DocHolliday
09-15-2004, 04:13 PM
Right...lets think about that.

Lets think how a plane that is 155 feet long, 144 feet wide and 225,000 lbs, can hit a building with such force that it crumples the entire plane, luggage, people, seating, from nose to tail into a hole that is only about 65 feet deep and makes it all disappear, yet didnt go through the back wall of the same ring on the pentagon.


If a plane hits something hard enough everything in the impact is scredded down to things no bigger then a can of pop.

Don't believe me? Take a look at the commuter plane that hit the Everglades back in the early 90's. The data recorder was nearly destroyed in that crash and those things are supposed to be indestructable as long as they aren't being melted in a fire.

The largest piece of the fuselage was no bigger then the size of your computer monitor. Toss in a fire that can consume many materials and you have very little debris.

Until I see a thorough report showing what would happen to a plane that size hitting a hardened building like the pentagon at 400+ knots then I will not believe these whack job conspriracy theories. The wings might have folded in on impact, the force mgiht have been so great that the winds shredded into a million pieces and the fuel was located close enough to the main fuselage that it burned the rest. I don't know and neither can you until its tested.

Let me repeat one more time. The building is hardened. Its meant to take HUGE impacts. Its also the largest fucking building in the world in terms of square feet. Its gigantic.

JuggerNaught
09-15-2004, 04:13 PM
Yes.
and you actually believe that?

JuggerNaught
09-15-2004, 04:15 PM
If a plane hits something hard enough everything in the impact is scredded down to things no bigger then a can of pop.

Don't believe me? Take a look at the commuter plane that hit the Everglades back in the early 90's. The data recorder was nearly destroyed in that crash and those things are supposed to be indestructable as long as they aren't being melted in a fire.

i dont doubt that the debris would be small.

but there will still be debris that even crumpled up would have to equal out to the mass of this plain.

if there isnt debris then there has to be melted aluminum slag that would equal out to that mass, the aluminum isnt going to evaporate.

-iA- Sass
09-15-2004, 04:16 PM
So what you are saying is that a pilot that was trained on a cessna brought in a 757 level with the ground, low enough for the building to catch ever single part of that plane in the hole, but high enough not to disturb the grass or mark up the land?

the plane was 44 feet tall, the building is 77 feet tall so the cessna trained pilot brought in this huge aircraft at 300+ mphand had about 15 feet to play with either way...all while staring his own imminent death in the face and was able to do so?

find it hard to believe.

Thats hard to believe but fabricating (whatever) ~70 people and their lives in their entirety with no one being the wiser is plausible. Words fail me.

Kerosene31
09-15-2004, 04:16 PM
and you actually believe that?

Yes, but I'm stupid and just suck up any information given to me by the gov't. There are aliens in area 51. This airplane never hit the pentagon. It was flown to a top secret airfield hidden inches below the water (ala James Bond) and the people are now being transformed against their will into reverse-vampires.

Thank you for showing me the light.

Kerosene31
09-15-2004, 04:19 PM
The 757 was actually transformed into the president's airplane! We all think it is Air Force One, but no! That is the one Bush flies around in. But he is just the decoy for terrorists. Al Gore actually runs the country in the missing 757 which is painted sky blue so nobody sees it. It all falls into place so easily.

DocHolliday
09-15-2004, 04:20 PM
i dont doubt that the debris would be small.

but there will still be debris that even crumpled up would have to equal out to the mass of this plain.

if there isnt debris then there has to be melted aluminum slag that would equal out to that mass, the aluminum isnt going to evaporate.


A fire intense as the one in the Pentagon could cause all kinds of wierd things to happen. The aluminum could have fused with other materials. Also, I don't recall them recovering much of anything because of the intense fire. The same fire that kept fire fighters at bay for quite some time due to the intese heat. That building is so strong and thick that it acted as a furnace in there.

Dead Ben
09-15-2004, 04:20 PM
Thats hard to believe but fabricating (whatever) ~70 people and their lives in their entirety with no one being the wiser is plausible. Words fail me.

especially since one of the people on that plane was very well known in washington circles and the wife of another prominent person in washington.