Since when is Osniping the capper considered *bad*

o sniping really isnt a big deal most of the time, but it IS a stupid thing to do since you are really not helping your team win


the only time i get irritated at o snipers is when they o snipe the flag carrier
someone in this thread earlier said it best, if im nice enuff to stay outside, at least come and get me you effing pussy (or they said something like that)

People really don't bitch much anymore about osniping unless it's a flag carrier in a standoff.

It really is too bad that people cannot seem to get the idea that no turtle means no capper osnipe. Turtling is certainly a kickable offense and thus osniping the capper is as well.

So, if you're going to osnipe cappers in standoffs just don't be surprised when you're rewarded with a kick/ban.

Wow, you can sit still hundreds of meters from any action and plink a guy with a nigh-instant-hit weapon.

I'm quaking in my goddamn boots.

Nice try with your lame ass child analogy of a sniper , for your information there is a thing called tactical sniping also.
I wouldn't expect you to understand this with your narrow minded approach to snipers.

Try playing Renegades sometime , there you will find the best tactical snipers in tribes. You won't though because you won't get them to just let you take the flag and cap it , these guys will actually eat you up. They won't stand there they will snipe you while their flying up , down backwards doesn't matter even when their skiing.

So when the mod comes out , bring your base playing ass in there and see.

--Fatal

i love watching new members flame each other. makes me feel all warm and fuzzy inside.

Just to clarify ...

In a match then anything goes ... Osnipe, turtle, spam, etc.

In a pub you can snipe a capper if their flag is on the stand. If their flag is off the stand, then it is considered a standoff and Osniping cappers is a no no.

']This argument has been going on since Tribes 1 days.

Sad that so many people can't give the O sniper the respect he/she deserves.

O Snipers:


Take out flag carriers (don't want to get sniped out of the air? Go inside biotch)
Destroy enemy defender's deployables that are designed to eliminate incoming friendly cappers
Take out enemy defenders rushing to chase your team's flag carrier once he's made the inital cap
Force the defence to divert precious manpower to root out the sniper ... allowing one's team additional capping opportunities
Take out Defensive snipers who nine times out of ten never move from the same spot ... ever.


As an added bonus the offensive sniper an attempt a cap as well if the opportunity presents itself.

It is beyond me how one can claim defensive sniping is "fair" compared to offensive sniping. Defensive snipers know *exactly* where the enemy is heading (the flag stand). Simply find a nice spot and wait for the targets to arrive. The D Sniper doesn't have to worry about enemies hunting him down, hell when D sniping one can usually stay in the same spot for hours ... unless an O sniper takes him out hehe. In comparison the O sniper is constantly on the move, attempting to keep one step ahead of defensive forces determined to kill him. The O sniper (in T:V) is limited now by his ammo making each shot that much more important.

I love hearing the crybabies whine when I snipe out a flag runner on the offensive side of the map. I love hearing the crybabies whine as well during turtle situations. I love hearing the crybabies whine in these threads.

O Sniping and turtling are a natural part of the game. They add a strategic element to the game many find a refreshing change of tempo from the typical ski, grab flag, ski home, cap/rinse/repeat. If the developers didn't believe in O sniping then offensive snipers would NOT be able to move past the middle part of the map.

The whines of those who can't handle O snipers are the whines of those that have been pwned over and over again by the superior skill of an experienced O sniper. And yes O sniping is an aquired skill. The ability to take a shot and dissapear before the defenders can react. The ability to make a difference in the most critical moments when the defenders are rushing to take out your team's flag carrier who is frantically trying to ski away from 2 - 3 chasers. Sniping out one of those chasers sometimes means the difference between a cap and a dead flag runner.

Without a doubt the O sniper is an extremely important component of the team.

Bamelin[VRT]
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I know this has already been addressed but I had to chime in...

wow, no.

As an antiturtle suggestion, can't these force fields disappear after an x-period of time of flagposession on some of these maps?

Just a question if it can be implemented.
I'd rather hear ideas on how to change the game to make the turling harder/impossible instead of whining about O-sniping and turtling as lame tactics.
If you need to get gentlemen agreements to make a game fun there is a design flaw that needs to be countered.

Stop this silly thread. People "turtle" even without the snipers!

bono, do us all a favor and just stick to lurking.

Stop this silly thread. People "turtle" even without the snipers!
LOL he is right though.

tbh asura i find turtling "fun" sometimes as it about the only time i go HO

tho i admit if its done properly with 2 (!) good teams it will end up 0-0 on winterlake

and about earlier: me turtling was best thing that happened to my team. they were being owned for like 16mins and they didnt even have a base
as soon as my turtle started it brought some organisation,defenses were setup and they even retrieved the flag (something i couldnt believe tbh)

Proximus, turtling like that is bad, regardless of the score. thats 4 minutes you could have been trying to catch up,

Well he can't exactly "catch up" when his flag isn't at the stand,

four minutes you could have been on defense,

He said his whole team was already on defense, if the entire team is on D then who's going after the flag? Not to mention he had the flag which is considered Defending

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Yes, Turtling can be a game-play degrading tactic which it's nice when everyone on a server agree's not to do it; but I believe it should be allowed with no consequence though I would like to see the Dev's develop some sort of solution that would make countering turtling easier.

Now O-sniping, I've been playing since the latter days of T1(to reiterate someone else's statement) and I've never had a problem with o-snipers. If I'm carrying the flag lingering outside my base and just happen to get sniped then kudos to whoever made the kill, there actually trying to play the game and get the flag back to score. If someone is high-tailing it back to base with flag in hand and get taken out by a well-placed sniper shot then kudos again, I myself can't make such a goot shot; especially when the capper is going 200+.

Imo o-sniping is as legitimate as any other tactic...

I personally dont care for O Sniping but Fatal Move has a point.
Its not built into the game and is going to be difficult to enforce when all the noobs start playing TV.

Random thought...
Why cant the sniper rifle be restricted to work only within a certain range of your base?

Take a buckler, sit outside perfectly still, aim the buckler crosshair at a sniper's head, and wait for them to shoot. :)

O-sniping in a flag standoff encourages turtling. Turtling in pubs is usually boring, especially on a map like winterlake. That's the biggest reason some admins don't allow it. Pretty simple.

(Note: Someone should create a mutator that disables the rifle during a standoff situatuation, or at least damage against the flag carrier. Then enforcing this would be a lesser issue)

This thread is long.

i dont think turtling is always boring
not for the retrievers nor for the turtler
it can be very tense sometimes sitting in phoenix base with 4 ho coming in or vice versa goin in with 4ho to try bash that defense

anything CAN be boring not everything always is

O-sniping, turtling, low population base raping . . . these are all scenarios typically frowned upon by the competitive community when it comes to public games, not competition match-ups. Allow me to explain that perspective.

Many competitive players, and many pub players for that matter, will agree that the flag exchanging hands is more exciting and thus more fun than long standoff situations. Many bases are designed in such a way that standoffs can be indefinite. This slows down a public game, and can result in the death of the server as people start to leave in frustrated boredom.

Hence the 'rules'. These are of course more like guidelines of pub sportsmenship.

No Turtling. The biggest one if you ask me. During standoff situations, stay outside to give the other team the chance to return and keep the pace of the game moving.

No O-sniping. Personally I agree that O-sniping should be allowed with the exception of sniping a flag carrier during a standoff situation. If they are being good sports to stay outside, then you should be a good sport and go to a place where they have a chance to kill you as well. Every other scenario explained earlier (taking out turrets, harrassment, etc) I agree is a viable pub tactic, and the people who complain are typically defenders who don't wish to have to leave their haven. Of course, nothing irritates me more than an Osniper who *isn't* effective, because it makes me think that spot on the server is wasted, when someone could join and actually be useful.

No low-population rape. When the server is just starting to fill up, there's really no challenge to destroying the bases. It really does nothing except inflate the ego of the destroyer, while frustrating the defender who has to repair, and hope to suit up before the destroyer is back to do it again. Instead of Capture the Flag, it evolves into a game of "I'll destroy, you repair!" which is only fun for half the people.


Again, it's totally about sportsmenship. Be courteous to your fellow player, even if you're trying to be annoying. :)

Can someone find a list of servers where o-sniping cappers during a standoff is encouraged so these people will leave the rest of us alone?

Ok, time to rant a second...

Listen carefully....

I DO NOT WANT to change the rules on my server. Nor do I want 5150 to change their rules. I do not want ANY of the servers with these rules to change the way they are run. The primary reason is because I CANNOT STAND to listen to you people whine.

Yes there is a sniper rifle in the game. Yes there isnt a magical boundry preventing you from going O with it. Yes you have the capability to snipe a capper with it.

NO you arent helping your team. NO a flag that is dropped in the middle of a defense is NOT going to magically appear back at your base. NO you arent contributing to the betterment of the game on the servers WE CHOOSE TO PLAY ON.

Can you please get that THROUGH YOUR THICK effING SKULLS? We dont like it. We hate when you do it. We also happen to own the sandbox you are playing in so GO effING AWAY please.

Simple solution to all this: You buy your own server and in the MOTD or your website server rules page (i.e. this thing (http://www.rj3.net/ckb/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1743)) announce to the planet that you want EVERYONE to o-snipe, turtle, and baserape in 3v3 games. Let them come in droves to your holyland and revel in the mediocrity of 20+ other spaz n00bs.

All the while, LEAVING US THE eff ALONE.

kthxbi

o-sniping is part of the game.

but when it you sit on a server and o-snipe the whole map? you are fskcing retarded.

if ski in to grab your flag and you are a lazy friendgot LD who wants to sit around on the flag stand and show me your elite skills of disc spamming the flag?

you better believe I will shot you right in the face.

so suck it, you LD freindgots.

i cant believe ppl take this so serious they would ban people from their server
especially when then are no clear boundarys, the rules are in the eye of the beholder
1 of MANY examples i can make up:
i got flag and i drop it.. the guy that picks it up gets o-sniped (this in a standoff) did the shot get fired be4 or after he picked it up? cmon
if the admin likes him its ok if he h8s him or has bad mood hes getting kicked
or if ppl scream loud enough ppl get kicked

where is this goin?
ppl asking for the rifle to get turned off when u cross mid i mean wtf?

theres a difference between being a sportsman and kicking people for being not sportsmanlike (enforcing it)
like im a good team m8 if i repair my capper but im getting kicked if i dont? lol

the essence of sportsmanship is that its self-enforced

any1 can do whatever they like on their server tho just dont expect to get some global justification for every sub-cultural habit u might develop on it with your close mates