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Dark Radiance 08-30-2004, 06:56 PM Granted, I almost always have enough uses to get back and forth across the map one time, but the fact that it's limited, well, limits it's use as a tool to increase your mobility. Why the limit? It doesn't provide any combat power.
JodoFett 08-30-2004, 06:59 PM One of the main reasons is in flag standoffs, someone that is good with a grappler could last forever in previous builds.
VaporTrail 08-30-2004, 07:00 PM It was brought up that having people grapple around indefinately was over powered, and the Devs agreed.
It could still be changed, but at this point, I doubt it. (been unlimited before, ammo added, then reduced, IIRC)
Vash, be productive, or begone, thx.
Dark Radiance 08-30-2004, 07:01 PM How so Jodo? I haven't found people w/ grapplers that much more difficult to kill than those w/o.
And Vash...please, grow up.
WaTTz! 08-30-2004, 07:01 PM Ulimited grappler ammo is stupid.
1) It wouldn't make sense, where are the hooks comming from? There has to be a limited supply.
2) People swinging from the cave ceiling are hard enough to hit as is, last thing we need are super monkeys that can swing forever.
KillerONE 08-30-2004, 07:03 PM WaTTz often tries to apply REAL WORLD logic to video game scenarios.
It's a bad trend to get into.
Video games are made to be fun, some changes aren't "real" but allow for a better, more enjoyable experience.
That said, Jodo and others already mentioned why there's a limit.
VaporTrail 08-30-2004, 07:05 PM Played cavern much? It's fairly easy to grapple around without hitting the ground. Someone halfway decent can string himself around pretty good. Killing him isn't your only worry, you then have to recover the flag in his own territory. It's kinda a case of you "forcing" the drop, rather than someone having the opportunity to make a mistake.
An analogy would be similar to a "forward pass" in football if an interception only counted as an incomplete pass, rather than a possession change.
Thrax Panda 08-30-2004, 07:09 PM Granted, I almost always have enough uses to get back and forth across the map one time, but the fact that it's limited, well, limits it's use as a tool to increase your mobility. Why the limit? It doesn't provide any combat power.Same reason the Sniper Rifle isn't unlimited. Prevents annoying abuse.
WaTTz! 08-30-2004, 07:12 PM WaTTz often tries to apply REAL WORLD logic to video game scenarios.
It's a bad trend to get into.
Video games are made to be fun, some changes aren't "real" but allow for a better, more enjoyable experience.
That said, Jodo and others already mentioned why there's a limit.
You don't know me. You will never know me. Look at the back of your computer, see the large black cable twards the top? Pull it out.
KillerONE 08-30-2004, 07:13 PM :lol:
Phantomstranger 08-30-2004, 07:14 PM in the case of cavern I could see having the limited ammo. but I fail to see how having it unlimited on the other maps would be a problem. but then again it's not as useful on the other maps as it is on cavern.
I say 15 is plenty though. you can go from one side of cavern to the other with 15 shots. if they made it below 10 though it would become useless.
WaTTz! 08-30-2004, 07:19 PM in the case of cavern I could see having the limited ammo. but I fail to see how having it unlimited on the other maps would be a problem. but then again it's not as useful on the other maps as it is on cavern.
I say 15 is plenty though. you can go from one side of cavern to the other with 15 shots. if they made it below 10 though it would become useless.
The only thing it is good for on other maps is stopping quickly or rapidly changing direction, if your good. But ya, I can see it being unlimited on any map but cavern.
Phaseshift 08-30-2004, 07:22 PM Any word on forcing the cable to disconnedt by shooting grapple point? Wasn't that in the works? I think 15 grapples is too low. I'd rather 20.
Edit:
in the case of cavern I could see having the limited ammo. but I fail to see how having it unlimited on the other maps would be a problem. but then again it's not as useful on the other maps as it is on cavern.
I say 15 is plenty though. you can go from one side of cavern to the other with 15 shots. if they made it below 10 though it would become useless.
Hmmm, maybe a good solution would be to add ammo spots for grappler on other maps.
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