O Sniping

This is more for Tribes 1, what do people have against O Sniping? Its part of the game like Mine Discing, Skiing and Turtling, these things are cheap but part of the game, why do people get kicked for O sniping but not for mine discing? Or hiding in heavy inside a base for the whole match? I would like to hear thoughts on the subject, unless there is another thread with it, and then can some one please link me?

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/me waits for the nice men with the white coats to explain the ways of the world to the drooly crazy man.

Asking that is like asking why people have rules about rape in servers that aren't heavily populated.
The answer is " 'Cause it's styoupid and lame."

Personally I hate the mine disc as well, but meh... I can't change the way of the world, I can only wait for T:V.

pffft, I reinstalled Tribes a month or two ago on suggestion to do so... Had alot more fun than i thought I would, for about a month on the 5150 servers.

They are now again vacant :( No other viable 'base 'servers' around... so I guess Tribes is dead again til T:V.... Atleast Open is only a month away or so :)

i never saw a problem with it.

This is more for Tribes 1, what do people have against O Sniping? Its part of the game like Mine Discing, Skiing and Turtling, these things are cheap but part of the game, why do people get kicked for O sniping but not for mine discing? Or hiding in heavy inside a base for the whole match? I would like to hear thoughts on the subject, unless there is another thread with it, and then can some one please link me?For fuck's sake, you've gotta be kidding me. You can't honestly think some dumbshazbot, fucking worthless, piece of shit newbie sitting on a hill 3/400m away sniping is "CTF", can you?

"Its part of the game like Mine Discing, Skiing and Turtling, these things are cheap but part of the game"
Uhmm.. just install the game right fucking now. MDing and skiing are cheap? Holy shit. Please leave.

All I can say is, play CTF (yea, that's right, CAPTURE THE FLAG, not "duelmod"), get a clue, and then answer your own question. Because if isn't blatently obvious why "o-sniping" is lame, along with turtling(in a pub), or base-rape camping(in a pub), then no one can help you.

*Edit*
As you can see, I have some slight anger problems with dumbasses running around in a CTF server, dueling like it's some type of deathmatch gametype... not just you/your question in general.

*Edit2*
I plan on nazing any server I get admin on in TV, unless the owner(s) say otherwise. O-sniping/base-rape camping/lame point-whoring/etc has and never will be tolerated by me.

For fuck's sake, you've gotta be kidding me. You can't honestly think some dumbshazbot, fucking worthless, piece of shit newbie sitting on a hill 3/400m away sniping is "CTF", can you?


I think the O sniper provides a few things.

1. a good O sniper can distract people enough that they miss plays that require split second precision. How focused can you really be if you're contstantly being shot at from range??

2. a good O sniper will also cause a team to divert resources away from the capture of the flag to ensure the sniper is eliminated. Yes it's annoying, but thats part of what makes O sniping so effective.

3. They can selectivly target deployables, turrets in the proccess of being repaired, and the enemy's farmer which helps the snipers team.

4. They can slow down the number of vechicles an enemy can spawn and get moving.

5. They can take out the enemy flag carrier on his way back to base and give his chasers a couple extra seconds they wouldn't have had.

6. O snipers can also provide information about the enemy and deployable status to his own team.

7. O snipers demoralize an enemy. Which can be a competetive advantage.

Ultimatly I think that what it boils down to is effectiveness. The whole point of O sniping is suppression. You suppress the enemy at their own base from afar with minimal manpower.

The problem comes in with people who believe that a tactic is cheap because it is effective. Sure, no one likes to get sniped at the v-pad or 100 meters from the flag when you have one on your back. But I think that adds another layer to the skill and excitement. Yeah i get real fuckin pissed when i get sniped that close to capping, but it adds to the feeling that no where in the game is safe, and something can happen in the blink of an eye that can change the outcome of the game.

I can tell you that I feel great every time I do cap and see a laser go flying by. It just increases the sense of a achievement.

I just disagree with your assessment that O snipers are worthless. Of course it is 6 am and I need to go to bed.

Not worthless as in "actually doesn't get anything done"...

Worthless as in "pansy ass lamer who only scores kills on targets that won't or can't fight back."

Try sniping a vehicle pad one day. Sure, eventually someone will come to chase you around for 20 seconds before they kill your ass, but only because you're an annoying peice of shazbot, not because you've really accomplished anything grand.

It's a fucking PUB, it's supposed to be FUN for everyone to play "Capture the Flag". Not "Chase teh pansy laser bitch".

I'm just glad that the sniper rifle comes with ammo in T:V. O snipers at least will be forced to actually DUEL once in a while, rather than simply running away or suiciding as soon as they notice someone headed thier way.

For fuck's sake, you've gotta be kidding me. You can't honestly think some dumbshazbot, fucking worthless, piece of shit newbie sitting on a hill 3/400m away sniping is "CTF", can you?

"Its part of the game like Mine Discing, Skiing and Turtling, these things are cheap but part of the game"
Uhmm.. just install the game right fucking now. MDing and skiing are cheap? Holy shit. Please leave.

All I can say is, play CTF (yea, that's right, CAPTURE THE FLAG, not "duelmod"), get a clue, and then answer your own question. Because if isn't blatently obvious why "o-sniping" is lame, along with turtling(in a pub), or base-rape camping(in a pub), then no one can help you.

*Edit*
As you can see, I have some slight anger problems with dumbasses running around in a CTF server, dueling like it's some type of deathmatch gametype... not just you/your question in general.

*Edit2*
I plan on nazing any server I get admin on in TV, unless the owner(s) say otherwise. O-sniping/base-rape camping/lame point-whoring/etc has and never will be tolerated by me.
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To rephrase Validuz's wah, "O-sniping is too effective, and I want people to play the game the way I want it to be played!"

There are tactics that are very effective and very annoying at the same time. These might be accepted in comp play, because being effective is what matters there, but there's no point in ruining others' game in a pub just to score some points.

This thread is great! :clap:

I'm a sniper, and the only thing I would consider cheap is V-Pad sniping.

I dunno if alot of you noticed, but I heard of this great way of taking out Snipers.

1. You see a red trail fly past you
2. Run inside the base and get a sniper rifle of your own
3. The O-Sniper will probably be focused on someone else at the moment, so take your time and line your reticle up with his head.
4. Pull the trigger


Honestly, you need 1 LD to defend against O Snipers, theres no one stopping you from fighting back with effective weapons. And plus, if they are O sniping you when your base is raped, well thats part of the base rape, so stay indoors.

I think one of the reasons O-Sniping is frowned upon is that while you can argue that you are 'suppressing' the enemy. The fact is that the enemy usually doesn't delegate resources to finding and killing an O-Sniper because it isn't the focus of the game.

Therefore, the team for whom the O-sniper is playing is basically one man short. In other words, the O-sniper isn't actually helping capture or defend the flag. So if 5 of the other team are going after the O-sniper's team flag and 5 are defending/chasing their own flag, the sniper's team has only 4 people to actively go after the flag and 5 to chase/defend (or 5 to go after and 4 to chase/defend).

Think of it like this....if your base is being raped by heavy O and your flag is constantly being grabbed and your ass is sitting on a hill 900M away from the enemy base sniping a vehicle pad...are you really helping?

I hate it when people get angry from I'm trying to O snipe the flag carrier, I will do anything to get the flag back and the flag carrier should expect sniper shots.

I think one of the reasons O-Sniping is frowned upon is that while you can argue that you are 'suppressing' the enemy. The fact is that the enemy usually doesn't delegate resources to finding and killing an O-Sniper because it isn't the focus of the game.

Therefore, the team for whom the O-sniper is playing is basically one man short. In other words, the O-sniper isn't actually helping capture or defend the flag. So if 5 of the other team are going after the O-sniper's team flag and 5 are defending/chasing their own flag, the sniper's team has only 4 people to actively go after the flag and 5 to chase/defend (or 5 to go after and 4 to chase/defend).

Think of it like this....if your base is being raped by heavy O and your flag is constantly being grabbed and your ass is sitting on a hill 900M away from the enemy base sniping a vehicle pad...are you really helping?
In other words, the incompetence of the everyday O-sniper made O-sniping look like a cheap and worthless tactic.

I hate it when people get angry from I'm trying to O snipe the flag carrier, I will do anything to get the flag back and the flag carrier should expect sniper shots.

yeah. I don't care WHERE on the map you are. Anyone sniping you with their team's flag on your back is sniping as a defensive option.

And WarAngel I think nailed it. O-Sniping became taboo because a ton of fuck-tards were doing it and ruining the experience for everyone, while not providing anything to their team or really hindering the other team. Now all the people who know how to properly O-snipe to help their team, are being branded with the same punishment.

Sniping the flag carrier would actually be D Sniping, since you're defending your flag.

I never played Tribes a lot online, but I did enough to hate O Snipers, although I didn't know they had that name for them at the time.

The idea isn't that it's part of the game. Just because you can do something doesn't mean everyone should look the other way while you abuse it. Everyone's answer for handling these people is always "Well, go find them!" Is that fun? Of course it isn't. I paid for the game, so why should I be forced to pamper you when you decide to try to get free points?

I actually got to the point where I was having to strafe and jump up and down at the vehicle selection menu, just because there was some laser fag behind a hill screaming, "Come play with ME PLEASE!" I'd rather go help my team or set up defenses than chase you around for a full two minutes, trying to find and kill you, just so you can hop in a Shrike and fly back and do it again. To find a sniper you have to wait for them to shoot you, which means they're going to get points unless they're incompetant. So, exactly what's the discouraging factor exactly? If I can kill two or three people and then slit my throat or run away, then come back and do it again, how is that fair to the other people that bought the game? They're trying to play CTF, not deal with just you.

If O-Sniping is "just as much a part of the game as skiing," then so is getting kicked out of a server, so no whining, k?

A pot-shotting O-sniper is the one who gives it a bad rep. Someone who can actually use a Sniper Rifle without having to stand still an "O-Snipe" in a good way, its just another one of the weapons in his loadout. I do this, I snipe while sking, or while in a duel, etc. It can be very effective and isn't skillless since alot of times the shots are done without zooming or if you do zoom that has the potential to mess up a route you're on.

For fuck's sake, you've gotta be kidding me. You can't honestly think some dumbshazbot, fucking worthless, piece of shit newbie sitting on a hill 3/400m away sniping is "CTF", can you?

"Its part of the game like Mine Discing, Skiing and Turtling, these things are cheap but part of the game"
Uhmm.. just install the game right fucking now. MDing and skiing are cheap? Holy shit. Please leave.

All I can say is, play CTF (yea, that's right, CAPTURE THE FLAG, not "duelmod"), get a clue, and then answer your own question. Because if isn't blatently obvious why "o-sniping" is lame, along with turtling(in a pub), or base-rape camping(in a pub), then no one can help you.

*Edit*
As you can see, I have some slight anger problems with dumbasses running around in a CTF server, dueling like it's some type of deathmatch gametype... not just you/your question in general.

*Edit2*
I plan on nazing any server I get admin on in TV, unless the owner(s) say otherwise. O-sniping/base-rape camping/lame point-whoring/etc has and never will be tolerated by me.

The only server you will have admin on is your own you little tool. And you know for a fact no one will play on it that's worth a shit until all the other competition level servers are dead.

Who the fuck do you think you're kidding talking like a big shot on these boards Val? :lol:

And for the record, O-sniping is no where near as lame as having 6 guys a side playing LD thinking they "own" because they can kill the 1 or 2 HO or cappers that bother to play offense. Get a fucking clue.

A pot-shotting O-sniper is the one who gives it a bad rep.

Exactly. That's the one that's annoying. It isn't cheap, it's just gay.




However I hate minediscing. That is cheap. Thank God this is gone in T:V, although I don't agree with their way of implementing of mines. But I haven't played it either.