An in-deapth look at Vengeance armor design

If we're going to use a shape, why not the diamond?

That's like, a huge DUH. :p

http://www.italiasoftware.it/imagina/compart/DIAMOND.jpg

Or, better yet, turn a rhombus on end and go with it.
http://www.ogs.state.ny.us/curatorial/common/images/Rhombus1.jpg

:shrug:
http://www.tribalwar.com/forums/showthread.php?p=6413747# 6413747

I'm getting to you, I got lost >:0





The DS guy from the manual is based off of art by Lewis Royo. Everyone thinks it's the coolest tribes art in the history of ever so I made some models influenced by it based on the cross as in those screenshots. I think it's wonderful art, but I'm not sure if an exact model could stand next to the other armors. It might, I dunno. I'd like to see what your roommate comes up with though.
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Yeah lewis Royo, that's the guy.
I think he does (or did) a lot of cover art for Heavy Metal magazine.

I agree that it wouldn't stand very well next to the other armors. But since everyone loves it we can't ignore it. Gotta grab onto the rare occasion where people on TW actually agree on something. :shrug:

Anyway, it's a good place to start.

Technically, yeah...that always did weird me out, the DS in the official fiction and crap are always all Zen garden one-hand-clapping Oriental-style beatniks, but their armor is decidedly Western.

YES! This has confused me for years. It's like I asked before, is it just a product of the artists not paying attention to the story writers?


And do we have to choose eastern or western or a shape? See, I don't know this stuff.

My roomie will post some stuff when he has something to post. :p

He's looking at a bunch of armors and sketching out some stuff as we speak. :)

The DS armors looking like robots isn't much of a mistake, I think. A lot about DS mentions that they focus on strategy and long-term goals. In essence, logic more than instinct.

Just to voice my opinion, i personally always liked the cross idea as the generic shape that the armor and architecture are being based off of. It also seems to work relatively well in tying in with the more crusade-styled armor Colosus was talking about. You can see it in the heavy model that Lucius posted. It just WORKS, and really does look DS.

From what I gather here is the cyborg look is important. For some reason this doesn't mesh well with the diamond sword philosophy to me.

You seem rather well versed in tribal history, so perhapes you could explain something. From what I can tell, the DS are much more peaceful than the blood eagle, or at least they don't believe in the same "might makes right and let's kill everything" stance the BE take.

If that's the case why are the BE armors always humanized where as the DS are made out to be cold robot types. Is this just the original skinners ignoring tribal backstory? If so, I would prefer to follow the backstory than the original skins -- unless there's a reason why the DS personality would promote a cybornetic feel.

To answer your question, Lucius, i think the DS armors are not so much made to look robotic, as the robotic feel was added on afterwards. I honestly believe that Colosus is right, and that the original design of the Diamond Sword was for more of a medieval styling of armor. I think that the cybernetics and circuitry was added on to give it a more futuristic "cyberpunk" look, to fit with the whole, you know, futuristic game. :) That's just my theory, however.

Another thing to think about is that a tribe can still promote and practice one ideal, and then wear armor based off of a different cultural design, provided it works better. I dont really believe that the crusader-style armor detracts at all from the "mysterious" look that the tribal style pervades (using that word right?). Honestly, i think it enhances it.

If you want to look at it another way, think of the DS as mysterious, not asian. Part of some of the backstory for all of the tribes was the type of religion they followed (the phoenix being a christ-like figure, the starwolf a shamanic religion, etc.) What's the most "mysterious" religion you can think of? I'd say Zen is a good choice. :)

Wait -- so DS are vulcan zen samurai crudaser cyborgs?

Ok, so what shape is that?

Just to voice my opinion, i personally always liked the cross idea as the generic shape that the armor and architecture are being based off of. It also seems to work relatively well in tying in with the more crusade-styled armor Colosus was talking about. You can see it in the heavy model that Lucius posted. It just WORKS, and really does look DS.



To answer your question, Lucius, i think the DS armors are not so much made to look robotic, as the robotic feel was added on afterwards. I honestly believe that Colosus is right, and that the original design of the Diamond Sword was for more of a medieval styling of armor. I think that the cybernetics and circuitry was added on to give it a more futuristic "cyberpunk" look, to fit with the whole, you know, futuristic game. :) That's just my theory, however.

Another thing to think about is that a tribe can still promote and practice one ideal, and then wear armor based off of a different cultural design, provided it works better. I dont really believe that the crusader-style armor detracts at all from the "mysterious" look that the tribal style pervades (using that word right?). Honestly, i think it enhances it.

If you want to look at it another way, think of the DS as mysterious, not asian. Part of some of the backstory for all of the tribes was the type of religion they followed (the phoenix being a christ-like figure, the starwolf a shamanic religion, etc.) What's the most "mysterious" religion you can think of? I'd say Zen is a good choice. :)
yeah. What he said. :D

Wait -- so DS are vulcan zen samurai crudaser cyborgs?

Ok, so what shape is that?
:lol:

I dunno. Sounds fun figuring it out though.

Hrmm, ok, I like the crusader idea too then. But I still want to see peoples' arts.

Wait -- so DS are vulcan zen samurai crudaser cyborgs?

*rofl* sounds about right. The ideology is Vulcan mixed with Zen, and the armor style is Crusader-cyborg. :D (samurai doesn't belong in either ideology OR style. :P)

The DS aren't really more pacifist than any other tribe... actually if you think about it they're quite nasty. The triad manipluates all of the other tribes, theoretically for the good of human kind ("let's not ALL get killed by the bio-derms."), but still... they're nasty secretive bastards. But that's what makes them cool. :)

Hrmm, ok, I like the crusader idea too then. But I still want to see peoples' arts.
yeah my member/roomate is working on it. Might be a while though.

He appears to be using some roman/greek/gladiator/crusader armor as a referance. We'll see how it works out.
[edit]Not the member in my sig, although he is also an excellent artist.
[edit2] ok now he's in my sig

I think there's a more elemental quality to the different tribes that you can use as a basis for a theme. I can't really say I'd include the Imperials in this description, though.

CotP: religion, ideology, faith. The spiritual.
BE: strength, force, chaos. The physical.
DS: logic, strategy, precision. The mental.

Imperials are more of a leading role here, like the control over these 3 elements of the human condition. The balance between them, perhaps.

The cross design I mentioned before can be seen as a broadsword. From there, you can use the edge of the blade (precision) and the cylindrical shape of the hilt (balance and control) to influence the design. You can think of it by comparing it to the other tribes. The BE would rather take a hammer and crush you; the CotP would try to "save" you; Imperials would order you to get the fuck out the way. The DS, however, would hang back for a moment, plan the approach, and strike at your weak points.

They're efficient, wise, and experienced. They may also be a bit arrogant towards the other tribes. Their architecture should reflect that.

And the starwolf would... what? Run in quick and stab you when you weren't looking? :D

Interesting ideas.

The Starwolf would just stab you between the shoulder blades with a big fuckin' knife, because they RULE.

no, the starwolf would dance around in their fancy pants blue-and-white-and-stars-half-naked armor

Make us some starwolf models then :D
hell yeah. i vote we see the return of ALL the old tribes within the skinning world. do eet

http://andeburu.studioink.org/tribes/dsproject/ds_logoideas01.jpg

Just some doodles/random ideas. Obviously i'm going with the cross-motif here (as well as a "geometrical shapes/simple shapes" idea... see the big aesthetic post of mine :) ) 'Might draw some more stuff tomorrow, like trying for armors or something.

Browsing through the old thread, it looks like all of Sarcastic's logos are no longer working. Suckage. :(

I was just painting around in photshop.

http://www.phoenix-blaze.com/~sirlucius/ds-cof.png

Of course it'd need more detail, but this is "kind of" what the DS would look like as the medieval royo style.

I was requested to give my idea as to what the Diamond Sword's armor could look like. So here it is.


Influenced by the romans/Greeks and the pics that Neek had submitted earlier of the samurais. i tried to combine the two. this is the med armor.


comments plz





http://upload.serverseed.com/pictars3/DSmed_TW.jpg