[T:V] Graphics card Question

I guess the lesson here is to not take advice from people trying to sell you something who then follow up with their scientific one liners written in all caps.

Look it up and it will clearly say that ATI's have problems with there boards, But not only that but with over heating.
For the price you would have to pay for a ATI All in wonder you could get a 5650 256MB and it would have so much better graphics... so just look it up on www.google.com

You base an argument about which card is better from results you got with a generic, extremely broad search engine?

Proof from technical resources, please.

Hrmm, I didn't know google reviewed hardware, that is interesting.

For the price you would have to pay for a ATI All in wonder you could get a 5650 256MB and it would have so much better graphics... so just look it up on www.google.com

The lesson: don't buy ATI's TV tuner card when all you want is good graphics :rolleyes:

Either card will be overkill for T:V. Get whichever one you want.
No card is overkill where the UTx engine is involved ;)

Most important: Do not buy a 3d card now for a game which isn't due for another six months. Look at the people who bought a new card last year for Doom 3. lolol

Wait for the beta at the very least.

Getting a cpu for gradutation/birthday present, so i kinda have to make a choice relatively soon. Seems to me that the data in support of x800 proves more then the speculation of 6800u.

Benchmarks dont mean shit anymore. It recently came out that now ATi is "cheating" with their x800 drivers.

http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040603/index.html

software is subject to deception, hardware is not. As such, with drivers being equal, hardware will always beat sucky hardware. The geforce fx had better drivers (when they weren't cheating), but the 9800xt simply at it beat at hardware. This is as it is with the x800 and the 6800U. The 6800U is miles beyond the x800 in terms of architecture. As far as drivers go, well, i don't trust either of them. Therefore, my vote goes to the one with the most potential -- the 6800U

The 6800U is miles beyond the x800 in terms of architecture.
First time I hear this. Please elaborate.

First time I hear this. Please elaborate.


the x800 is essentiall a really polished gem. It is still based off the r3xx core, the same core as the 9700 pro. The 6800 U however, is all brand new. This meaning? The 6800U has a MUCH higher headroom for performance then the x800.

The quick way of explaining the x800 is that it's a 9800 with more texture pipes (and a few other choice tidbits). That said, it's probably the equal of the 68xx cards from Nvidia. This is Nvidia's next gen, and ATI's evolution. So Nvidia's leapfrog only went a few feet past ATI. From a strategic plan standpoint, ATI is still ahead, but the Nvidia cards may have them by a very small margin this round.

The good news is: It doesn't matter which card you choose. They both kick ass and they both will run anything like nobody's business. Pick, and win.

So in other words: since you are spending your parents money, buy the most expensive card you can find.

Went through the article Void posted and saw a chart in there that caught my eye:
http://www.tomshardware.com/graphic/20040603/images/image004.gif

OFF and ON for the 6800U means optimizations off and on: off for full trilinear filtering for everything, on for optimized "brilinear." In the ATi, you can see the with colored mipmaps the performance decreases, as it does a small bit for the 6800U. The optimizations in the X800 cause full trilinear filtering only in radically different textures, i.e. the color bands of color mipmaps.

Image quality aside for a moment, I'm liking those 3-digit numbers un the 6800U. :)

what 3-digit numbers? i couldn't find any

So what both Nvidia and ATI cheated with their new cards, at least the 9800 XT does full trilinear if you really want that kind of image quality. I still find it funny how image quality can go down with a new generation of cards, just crazy.