The simple way to prevent smurfs and easily identify people.

Hmm. You're the one throwing insults and we're whiny?

You still haven't given a reason why you want so badly to remain anonymous. That's all I'm looking for.
1) Because this is a convoluted idea that will not, I repeat not solve the problem of interweb video game "jackasses" as we've referred to.
2) Because I let people play Tribes on my computer all the time under different names, and don't want to be accused of doing something I didn't do (such as being a newbie, playing like an idiot, etc.).
3) I will also play pretty drunk sometimes on the weekends (sometimes I smurf, though usually not). Chances are I will embarass myself occasionally while doing so. Definitions of fun can sometimes be different then, and I don't need to be harped on because of it. I'll play the game how I want to fricken play. It's a god damn pub.
4) It's a god damn pub. If someone is acting like a total jackass, that's what admins are for. If they're playing like a jackass within the server rules, deal with it. Even if you knew who it was, what is that going to accomplish? "Ohh XXX I saw you smurfing on poopoo's server yesterday and you were playing like a jackass, wah wah wah apologize or I'm never talking/playing with you again." You just want the knowledge so you can confirm your suspicions and feel better about yourself. It does absolutely nothing for the game.

In the case where someone might smurf as a powerful tribe/triber, that's what a buddy list would be for. You can request to add someone to your buddy list, and they have to approve it. You will get sent their GUID and from then on you can find them no matter what name they're using, and you'll know if it's them you're playing with.

Other than that, it's not going to matter if someone smurfs as someone else, because there's nothing anyone can do about it (except for the server thing I mentioned earlier).

Satisfied?

How many people or admins are going to give a crap that you let someone else play on your account and they were playing like an idiot, newbie or whatever? You seem to care an awful lot about your image on the internet. Plenty of people make fools of themselves all the time in games, who the hell cares? And, if someone wants to avoid playing with certain people on a server, why shouldn't they be able to? Who are you to tell people how they should play the game, or whom they should play it with?

How many people or admins are going to give a crap that you let someone else play on your account and they were playing like an idiot, newbie or whatever? You seem to care an awful lot about your image on the internet. Plenty of people make fools of themselves all the time in games, who the hell cares? And, if someone wants to avoid playing with certain people on a server, why shouldn't they be able to? Who are you to tell people how they should play the game, or whom they should play it with?
Well let me do what you've been doing the whole time and say why do YOU CARE? Why the fuck do you need to know who is smurfing as who? You don't. "I don't want to play with XXX, I'm a cry baby. :mecry: :mecry: :mecry:"

Give me a break. :rolleyes:

1) Because this is a convoluted idea that will not, I repeat not solve the problem of interweb video game "jackasses" as we've referred to.
2) Because I let people play Tribes on my computer all the time under different names, and don't want to be accused of doing something I didn't do (such as being a newbie, playing like an idiot, etc.).
3) I will also play pretty drunk sometimes on the weekends (sometimes I smurf, though usually not). Chances are I will embarass myself occasionally while doing so. Definitions of fun can sometimes be different then, and I don't need to be harped on because of it. I'll play the game how I want to fricken play. It's a god damn pub.
4) It's a god damn pub. If someone is acting like a total jackass, that's what admins are for. If they're playing like a jackass within the server rules, deal with it. Even if you knew who it was, what is that going to accomplish? "Ohh XXX I saw you smurfing on poopoo's server yesterday and you were playing like a jackass, wah wah wah apologize or I'm never talking/playing with you again." You just want the knowledge so you can confirm your suspicions and feel better about yourself. It does absolutely nothing for the game.

In the case where someone might smurf as a powerful tribe/triber, that's what a buddy list would be for. You can request to add someone to your buddy list, and they have to approve it. You will get sent their GUID and from then on you can find them no matter what name they're using, and you'll know if it's them you're playing with.

Other than that, it's not going to matter if someone smurfs as someone else, because there's nothing anyone can do about it (except for the server thing I mentioned earlier).

Satisfied?

1) When did I ever say it would solve the problem? I do think it would help.

2-4) You seem to be contradicting your lack of caring what people think of you that you stated in your previous posts.

No, I'm not satisfied.

Well let me do what you've been doing the whole time and say why do YOU CARE? Why the fuck do you need to know who is smurfing as who? You don't. "I don't want to play with XXX, I'm a cry baby. :mecry: :mecry: :mecry:"

Give me a break. :rolleyes:

You are an idiot. I never once said that I cared, and have in fact said that I don't. However, other people might care and if they so desire to find out who a smurf is and avoid that person, who am I to stop them? I'm glad to see you're grown up enough to back your points up with personal insults, score some e-penis points for you.

You are an idiot. I never once said that I cared, and have in fact said that I don't. However, other people might care and if they so desire to find out who a smurf is and avoid that person, who am I to stop them? I'm glad to see you're grown up enough to back your points up with personal insults, score some e-penis points for you.
Personal insults? I'm only showing your whine in a way that makes you look stupid.
And, if someone wants to avoid playing with certain people on a server, why shouldn't they be able to?
:mecry:
I'm sure they're going to smurf JUST so that the people you don't want to play with can play with you and feel all dirty inside at knowing that they deceived you.

2-4) You seem to be contradicting your lack of caring what people think of you that you stated in your previous posts.
Where exactly did my previous posts say this?

BTW I'm done. You guys win. :mecry: Now we'll see if it actually happens. I offered two viable compromises that you both ignored because you'd rather attack me because I disagree with you. And all you can offer for a reason to change the status quo is that "I want to know who hurted me!" I can't argue with 5-year-olds.

Personal insults? I'm only showing your whine in a way that makes you look stupid.

:mecry:
I'm sure they're going to smurf JUST so that the people you don't want to play with can play with you and feel all dirty inside at knowing that they deceived you.


Where exactly did my previous posts say this?

BTW I'm done. You guys win. :mecry: Now we'll see if it actually happens. I offered two viable compromises that you both ignored because you'd rather attack me because I disagree with you. And all you can offer for a reason to change the status quo is that "I want to know who hurted me!" I can't argue with 5-year-olds.

I am sure you're still reading this, so I'm going to respond.

Did you EVER once read any of either of our posts? When we disagreed with you, you insulted us. When asked for your reasons, you posted them. We both responded as to why your reasons were insufficient, and that your reasons seemed to further point out that you were trying to project your problems with this system onto us.

We must be whiny newbie faggots who cry in our beds at night because someone smurfed on a pub. Both of us offered reasons aside from that, but you have blatantly ignored post after post on this topic and instead decided to pretend that we exemplified the kind of people who live and die by the insults or play of other people in a game.

I suggest you get some psychiatric help, because if you have actually read either of our posts and understood them, you would see that neither of us cares about anything you seem to think we care about. You on the other hand, care about exactly what you claim we care about. You care about other people harassing you because you played while you were drunk, or because a friend played on a server and wasn't as good as you. And that means that both of us cry ourselves at night because someone killed us on a pub.

Now I can finally get that psychology doctorate I've always wanted. Thank you for providing me with enough mental trauma material to write an entire doctoral thesis on. "Online Bullies: The Internet Factor." Ah yes, I can see the accolades rolling in now.

BTW I'm done. You guys win. :mecry: Now we'll see if it actually happens. I offered two viable compromises that you both ignored because you'd rather attack me because I disagree with you. And all you can offer for a reason to change the status quo is that "I want to know who hurted me!" I can't argue with 5-year-olds.

Haha. You did your best to insult us in every reply you made to us and we attcked you? It's too bad you couldn't counter us in a more mature manner or else we might could have understood each other.

Sounds like a good idea ZP. If Ixiterra is worried about letting his friends play and ruining his name, this would eliminate someone else from doing it as a smurf. Think about both sides of the arguement bro, whats the problem with playing under 1 name?

If T2 did one thing right this was it. If you wanted to smurf you still could, just on some lame ass server.

I don't like T2's system. I think you should be able to use whatever name you want even if someone else has it. However, it would be nice if there was a way to distinguish between two people of the same name if I so desired.

I dont like more then 1 person with a name but i guess if you could tell the 2 apart somehow it would be alright. I had to put the gay h in front of my T1 name for T2 because someone took it. :/

Did you EVER once read any of either of our posts? When we disagreed with you, you insulted us. When asked for your reasons, you posted them. We both responded as to why your reasons were insufficient, and that your reasons seemed to further point out that you were trying to project your problems with this system onto us.
I'll treat you with a civilized post because I let the Tribalwar mantra get the better of me when I am in a silly argument.

First of all, you are the ones trying to change what is (the "status quo" I referred to). Therefore you are compelled to provide the argument. It should be stated as such: Smurfing is bad because __________________ (fill in the blank). Smurfing is bad because smurfing is bad is not an argument. That is why I insulted you. You have come into this thread with the idea in your head that smurfing is one of the true ills of online gaming and must be cured at all costs.

The internet, by its nature, is very anonymous. What real benefits are provided by allowing anyone to keep track of who someone else is?

Anonymity makes people more prone to be jackasses.
So my reasons for wanting to be able to remain anonymous are "insufficient," but this blanket statement is the definitive answer to everthying smurf? I don't think so.

I expect smurfs as part of the game, and if you understood a damn word of my posts in this thread, it doesn't bother me either.
Then why do you care? Are you arguing anything at all? Or are you just arguing with me?

And, if someone wants to avoid playing with certain people on a server, why shouldn't they be able to?
This is about the only actual argument either of you have provided. And it is, as I not so eloquently stated, a big wah. Someone who will avoid a server just because another person is playing on it has issues, IMO. Now if you said, "I want to avoid playing with TK's," that's perfectly valid. However, curing smurfing won't do a damn thing about that.

1) When did I ever say it would solve the problem? I do think it would help.
You think it would help. Very strong argument; but mine are insufficient, even though I gave real-world examples and you ridiculed me for it.

]I suggest you get some psychiatric help, because if you have actually read either of our posts and understood them, you would see that neither of us cares about anything you seem to think we care about.
My question to you is, since you seem to care about nothing, is why are you arguing this issue if you don't care? Are you looking out for the little people? It is smurfing we're talking about right? And are you not arguing for the implementation of ZP's idea? Where exactly did I misstep?

You on the other hand, care about exactly what you claim we care about. You care about other people harassing you because you played while you were drunk, or because a friend played on a server and wasn't as good as you.
I claimed you cared about adding in smurfing patrol; no more, no less. If you don't, please stop arguing for it then.


I think you need to step back and realize what you're doing. You're arguing for the sake of arguing, and attacking my points yet providing none of your own (I'm sure my insulting manner helped with that, but regardless you haven't made a point). The only thing I've drawn from either of you is that "smurfing is bad." I offered two extremely good compromises that would solve the problem for anyone who had a problem with smurfing. But that's not good enough, because smurfing would still go on unchecked on other servers, and "smurfing is bad." Do you see what I'm getting at?

Good concept but I don't like the idea. I've introduced quite a few ppl to the game that come over to play often. How would you resolve multiple machines playing over the same IP through a router? I'd hate to be banned for what some newb friend of mine did when using one of my other machines.

Sounds like a good idea ZP. If Ixiterra is worried about letting his friends play and ruining his name, this would eliminate someone else from doing it as a smurf. Think about both sides of the arguement bro, whats the problem with playing under 1 name?

If T2 did one thing right this was it. If you wanted to smurf you still could, just on some lame ass server.
I don't have a problem with playing under 1 name. However, the way the game is designed is that you can play under any name you want. Why completely nullify that functionality by allowing this? Even in T2, you didn't know who was smurfing, only that they were a smurf (at least I think so, didn't play much T2).

I only see this as affecting pubs, and I simply cannot understand why someone would care enough about knowing who is smurfing on a pub to need something like this. :shrug:

I only see this as affecting pubs, and I simply cannot understand why someone would care enough about knowing who is smurfing on a pub to need something like this. :shrug:

only affecting pubs?!
In my opinion, and I think the whole reason Andy even brought this up, was stricktly for match play. This is so you know that the team you are playing doesnt have some smurfs playing for them.

only affecting pubs?!
In my opinion, and I think the whole reason Andy even brought this up, was stricktly for match play. This is so you know that the team you are playing doesnt have some smurfs playing for them.
I believe this was already covered. There will not be any smurfing in a regulated match because of GUID's. That's why this only affects pubs.

Maybe there could be some type of HTML/XML report generated at the end of a match. Of course this report would record each player's GUID along with all their stats and such. When that is complete, leagues and ladders can use this report to match up the GUID #'s that are on the team's roster (off of their own sites). If one of them doesn't match, you got a problem; punish accordingly..

I don't understand why there's so much fuss over this...

Are you looking out for the little people?

Yes. As I said earlier, the devs have said that they want T:V to be easy to get into. This idea would produce just that. I am not arguing against smurfing, I am arguing for the idea that being able to easily find your friends and at the same time avoid people who may not play as you like is probably very appealing to the new player.

I do not propose a total, all-out banishment of smurfs on pubs. In competition, certainly, but on pubs people can try to play as whomever they like. Again though, I feel that an admin who does not have direct access to server files should be able to ban a person (or their GUID) should they so desire.

I get the feeling that you think everyone will be readily identified and logged as some new player in a client's massive smurf file. That is not what anyone has proposed. I cannot fathom anyone wanting to log every random person whom they probably do not know and giving them local names for the precise purpose of ruining everybody's ability to smurf. Unless you had some sort of photographic memory and were clairvoyant, even doing that wouldn't get you any closer to knowing who everyone playing in a game actually was.

The bottom line is, I agree with ZP that regular players, as well as admins should be able to have a friends list to easily identify who they want to play with, versus who they don't. I am sure that this will ruin someone's honest fun from smurfing, but the benefits of allowing new players to readily figure out where they want to play far outweigh the costs of not being totally anonymous.

How would you resolve multiple machines playing over the same IP through a router? I'd hate to be banned for what some newb friend of mine did when using one of my other machines.

tell your friend to not act retarded. You can be IP banned in *any* game, not just T:V.

That's why you don't send your newbie friend on a competition server when you let him try out the game. You instead send him to a server with people of his skill level. Simple.

Good concept but I don't like the idea. I've introduced quite a few ppl to the game that come over to play often. How would you resolve multiple machines playing over the same IP through a router? I'd hate to be banned for what some newb friend of mine did when using one of my other machines.