we haven't had a good flame thread in awhile, so here it goes. (TW DRAMA)

I have no problem with Colosus using money we donated to make TW run and get needed equipment with it. I am however disappointed in the fact that we were not informed how the funds were spent. I donated money knowing that it would be spent somewhere with the servers. I would have just liked to know how our donations were being spent instead of finding out after the fact without informing the people that keep TW running with their own money.

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u sir are a failure

I'm like.. 3rd in this thread..
OWNT YOU ALL

I could care a less how he spent YOUR money.

I wonder if money was wasted on earlier donations that could have paid for this server upgrade...

Im a little reluctant to donate now.

I think the admins of TW should get a small percentage of the donations each year. It would be a nice gesture by the community to show that we appreciate their work.

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Warning, incoming giant post from LogRoller. Don't fucking read it if it is too long for you. I'm bottom lining it as much as I'm going to.

Okay, I have read the entire thread, and I'm somewhat upset with some of the people who are flaming folks who legitimately criticized Colosus in what I consider to be a relatively mature fashion, given the level of social dialogue that has been well established here on this board. I am looking in particular at old_skul, Bounty, and Cheater because their reactions surprised me the most, but others as well.

Now, to put this in context. I don't mind what Colosus does with the money. I really don't. So please be mindful of that fact as you read this. I think what he did was wrong, but he said that he was sorry, and I have forgiven him. I like Colosus and consider him a treasured online pal.

People were giving money for a server for the forums. Maybe their motivations were varied, but the intent of that fund drive was to get funds to provide a server for this site and these forums. To take part of the money and use it for another purpose, although legal, is not in the spirit of what I would consider to be the intent of the donations. Some people, like Dru, felt that the use of the money to support a "value adding" service that they did not appreciate was inappropriate. I agree with that. I sometimes listen to WOFN, but if it disappeared tomorrow, I would not give any money to save it at this time. If TW were to disappear tomorrow, I would give money to save it. Perhaps as the community develops and T:V comes out, I will feel differently.

Justifications being thrown around about Colosus' time put into the site and such, although certainly heartfelt and justified emotionally, are falling on deaf ears when it comes around to me. I have been participating in this community for quite some time - since the week Tribes 1 came out, actually. I have also been thinking about it for a long time.

I spent a lot of my life on this game. Not just playing it, but also trying to make it enjoyable for others. I posted a lot on the forums. I joined the DTM with the intent of helping newbies learn to play. I eventually came to be a moderator for the Sierra forums which had gotten too big for Analog Kid to handle. Even though my efforts were largely unappreciated by many of the people here (and I understand why, and I partially agree, so no need to dwell on it), everything that I did was to provide help and support to a community that I cared about quite a lot. I burned vacation days when T2 was released just to constantly hang in TribesIRC and help newbies sort out their issues. My wife was pissed! I spent at least an hour every night answering troubleshooting questions for weeks. And I did not expect anything in return for that. Making the community accessible and relatively friendly was its own reward.

I also post here a lot, and always have. I often try to make jokes and make people laugh. I also try to get people to just be nice to each other once in a while. I like doing that, so when people post that they like what I have written, it encourages me. And when I see that, it lets me know that they enjoy whatever contribution I have made to the community dialogue. I've also thought a lot about the game, and over the years have tried to represent different views on the forum even when I did not necessarily agree with them, just to try to make people think. Why? Because it added value to the forums and the community, and increased the level of interaction about the game. That stuff is fun for me, just because of my personality. I spend a lot of time doing it. I don't want money for it.

And I can not imagine the amount of time that other members of the community have contributed into making maps, demos, guides, scripts, software, and all of the rest of it.

Justifying the use of that money by saying that Colosus deserved it is a slap in the face to anyone who has ever done anything beneficial for the Tribes community without expecting any money in return. What it is saying is that the service that Colosus has voluntarily chosen to provide because it presumably brings him some inherent existential pleasure is valuable enough that our donations should be misappropriated without our knowledge or consent. It is an insult, and I find it ironic that old_skul accuses twiztd of having a sense of entitlement because that is precisely what is being assumed on Colosus' behalf with this argument. He is entitled to do whatever he wants, because he works so hard.

Well, over the past 5 years, a lot of us have worked hard. I don't think that it entitles us to anything, because we've already had our reasons for doing it.

If you disagree, and you think that efforts should be rewarded, then ask for it and say so up front. That's not an unreasonable thing to expect. I can not believe some of the attitudes being expressed in this thread. I really just do not get it, and I am upset by it.

Im a little reluctant to donate now.
You haven't donated to this point, so in all likelyhood you wouldn't have donated in the future.

Fuck it, I donated a while ago and I think that I've gotten my moneys worth ALONE in the PS threads...

just fuck this whole situation imo

my 1/2 a cent..

I don't really care about the money Col Spent on a labshit.

but 1 thing that kinda made me laugh.

DruMAX and some other Investigators on LaptopGate claim that WOFN shoutcast and TW coverage of T:V is a waste. I would like to inform them that without that kind of shit, the only coverage of the event would be seen on Gamespy, IGN, etc. and in some gaming mags. I personally got jack shit from anyone of those articles, it was like asking a newbie to judge the feel of a spinfuser.. When I actually got to watch the Press Conference it was actually a big event in the Tribes community and got tons of interest in Tribes:V and made it imho look FUN.

Also I've showed the vid to tons of people and told them to dl and got a positive reaction imho. To say that a gamespy article could in anyway equal being able to actually see the press conference and tribes is stupid. Hell they haven't even released that T:V trailer. Also WOFN is actually not a bad network and although its new it still has some talent.. Also it seems the worst part, HTS shoutcasting a serious discussion, is gone.

Also WOFN wasn't created for pre T:V talkshows and t2 shoutcasts.. It's for the hopeful awesome T:V competition and coverage when T:V comes out, and helping TW expand to be a bigger part of the community.

btw how much money did you spend on WOFN. Also did you watch the press conference. Or better yet, do you even care about tribes anymore?

Personally I don't give a shit. I can see how others do though. I just hope Col takes whatever money Bounty donated and buys xmas songs for him to play on air.

didnt read thread but maybe colosus put in own money for last 4 years and this was getting some of it back

meh, i dont care, still best forum out there

Was kinda wrong to do that, but it's in the past and lets hope it doesn't happen again.

You haven't donated to this point, so in all likelyhood you wouldn't have donated in the future.

Ya that's perfect TW logic. Wish you would have said that 3 months ago.

Ya that's perfect TW logic. Wish you would have said that 3 months ago.
I was just calling him on an idle threat, that's all :)