a little help with interpolation

what makes a cheat a cheat is not dependent on how *effective* it is..

Yes, a wallhack that makes EVERYTHING but players transparent, so you can't see them is still a cheat, even though it's about as effective as a U-shaped shotgun...

However what does interpolate do: It visually displays the enemy (and friendlies and every damn thing else) without prediction. This allows people to be monstrously accurate with a CG, as long as they are a LPB. It makes the graphics look like absolute crap (or so I've heard) as you sometimes have people jumping around a hell of alot more than you normally do, depending on your ping.

Semantics non-withstanding, people are exploiting it to make them better chainwhores, and are defending it so thier "uber-leetness from a checkbox" won't be looked upon by the community as just that.

2 options:
1: Stop using it, be honorable, and face up to the opposition like you were meant to, even when they do it to you.

2: Own up, shut up, and admit that you are using an exploitable setting within the game itself.

Either way, people will regain some shred of respect from me... albiet if they choose the second option it will be a damn microscopic portion.

Though "respect" to alot of people in gaming today means absolutely jack.

I guess DSL is cheating, compared to 56k. You have a more accurate representation of where the players are, and you can become better with CG.

Semantics non-withstanding, people are exploiting it to make them better chainwhores, and are defending it so thier "uber-leetness from a checkbox" won't be looked upon by the community as just that.
Skill isint the issue here, Shin, Apoth and myself have all said that interpolate is a problem.

Yes, a wallhack that makes EVERYTHING but players transparent, so you can't see them is still a cheat, even though it's about as effective as a U-shaped shotgun...
I'm glad you agree... although I still think such a wallhack could be immensely effective if it could be turned on or off within the game.


However what does interpolate do: It visually displays the enemy (and friendlies and every damn thing else) without prediction. This allows people to be monstrously accurate with a CG, as long as they are a LPB. It makes the graphics look like absolute crap (or so I've heard) as you sometimes have people jumping around a hell of alot more than you normally do, depending on your ping.

Actually, I believe interpolation has a greater effectiveness for people with higher pings. People with low pings already have a very accurate representation of the server state (exactly why LPBs are great chaingunners, with or without interpolation), it's the HPBs that have the most to gain from this. And yes, people do jump around more with interpolation off, but that doesn't help your arguement, only hurts it. It's clear that there is a disadvantage to using interpolation off.


Semantics non-withstanding, people are exploiting it to make them better chainwhores, and are defending it so thier "uber-leetness from a checkbox" won't be looked upon by the community as just that.
Hm, maybe so, but I feel the more likely reason is that people are turning on this disadvantageous feature (turning off interpolation), in order to make them better chainwhores, and are defending it because they know that it's not a cheat.


2 options:
1: Stop using it, be honorable, and face up to the opposition like you were meant to, even when they do it to you.

2: Own up, shut up, and admit that you are using an exploitable setting within the game itself.

Either way, people will regain some shred of respect from me... albiet if they choose the second option it will be a damn microscopic portion.

Though "respect" to alot of people in gaming today means absolutely jack.

I can take neither option, as I stopped playing Tribes a while ago.

But regardless, here are two alternative options:
1: Stop trying to pretend that you're being honorable in a situation where honor does not apply. Recognize that interpolate on or off is not a cheat, and climb down off of your false moral highground.

2: Don't follow option 1.

Either way, my respect towards you will be unaffected. Not that you should really care about how much respect a random internet user has for you anyways.

Most people that are strongly against it understand exactly what it does.

No, they don't. Most of them think it automatically makes the user of it better with the chaingun.

Actually, I believe interpolation has a greater effectiveness for people with higher pings. People with low pings already have a very accurate representation of the server state (exactly why LPBs are great chaingunners, with or without interpolation), it's the HPBs that have the most to gain from this. And yes, people do jump around more with interpolation off, but that doesn't help your arguement, only hurts it. It's clear that there is a disadvantage to using interpolation off.

I don't think it makes a difference. HPB's are still gonna have to lead way off, they might just get a slightly better idea of where they're gonna go. And it'll be REAL fucking choppy on 56k.

I don't think it makes a difference. HPB's are still gonna have to lead way off, they might just get a slightly better idea of where they're gonna go. And it'll be REAL fucking choppy on 56k.

Maybe so. I don't know for sure, either way :shrug:

challenge for the day: Play tribes2 right out of the box. I dare you all. (after patching, of course.)

Not with my current ping. I get about 250+ ping in addition to spikes, which occur about once every 15 seconds. The only online game I can play now is FFXI :/

Let me tell you, NEVER get Verizon Avenue/Voyager DSL. I honestly would prefer an AOL 56k connection over Verizon Avenue for games.

challenge for the day: Play tribes2 right out of the box. I dare you all. (after patching, of course.)
I gave it another try a week ago. Skiing still sucks in classic, and the pubs were 10x worse than a bad T1 pub.

Wow people are stupid. A basic script like skiing or auto-fav buying etc. is way more of a cheat then disabeling interpolate since interpolate is a variable your allowed to change while a script is a whole lot of code that does things automatically for you... meaning you don't do it as the computer does it for you. So... c'mon. Yes tribes allows client-side scripting.... though if anything scripts ruin a game atleast a little since not everyone has the same scripts. So before you complain about something like interpolate look at your ski scripts or auto-repair kit buyer or whatever because your likely a fucking hipocrit who should shut the fuck up.

I find it sad that after this entire thread, you still don't seem to understand what it does.

For the record, as an LD I think 120 FOV makes a very large difference. I don't know how you can say increasing the default by 1/3 doesn't help, but then again, I don't know how you can say interpolate makes anyone able to use a chaingun like a vet.

I know exactly what it does. I know exactly what 120 fov does. I know exactly what the differences are between the default settings and the modified. Please dont assume youre the only one that knows how tribes works.

Actually, I dont care anymore. You can win this e-argument if you want, because it just doesnt matter. T:V beta is only a few months off, then it will all be a moot issue. So fine, you win. Modifying interpolation settings in t1 and t2 isnt a cheat. It has done nothing but make games extremely fun to play, with everyone being able to point their cg and hit. The pubs/pu's/matches of 3 or 4 years ago can hold nothing to the light that is the interpolate pubs of this day. Congrats!

challenge for the day: Play tribes2 right out of the box. I dare you all. (after patching, of course.)

Aside from having the enDless team skin, some map packs, and the official patches, my Tribes 2 game is totally unmodified.

Then again, I don't use the chaingun all that often :)

The worst thing about interpolate is the way it has changed the game so that people constantly chain, chain, chain even when a disk would be more appropriate.

amen. but they're funny too. dueling a heavy cg user is kind of like kicking a flamingo -- hilarious

I know exactly what it does. I know exactly what 120 fov does. I know exactly what the differences are between the default settings and the modified. Please dont assume youre the only one that knows how tribes works.
And yet you still don't seem to understand the difference between a cheat and a simple net setting change.


Actually, I dont care anymore. You can win this e-argument if you want, because it just doesnt matter. T:V beta is only a few months off, then it will all be a moot issue. So fine, you win.
Okay


Modifying interpolation settings in t1 and t2 isnt a cheat. It has done nothing but make games extremely fun to play, with everyone being able to point their cg and hit. The pubs/pu's/matches of 3 or 4 years ago can hold nothing to the light that is the interpolate pubs of this day. Congrats!
It's really sad to see that out of the 6 pages of this argument, you *still* don't understand that none of us were arguring that interpolate off makes Tribes fun to play, or that it has made Tribes better. Were were only arguing that it isn't a cheat. You seem to have a difficult time understanding that.

You conceded that we won this e-argument, but your final remarks make me wonder if you are e-blind, or just e-ignorant. Unfortunately, signs do point to the latter. Thank you, and have a nice e-day.

challenge for the day: Play tribes2 right out of the box. I dare you all. (after patching, of course.)

Bought it for 10 bones at gamestop (2nd purchase other then the first day), that shit was in the trash in a week.

It's really sad to see that out of the 6 pages of this argument, you *still* don't understand that none of us were arguring that interpolate off makes Tribes fun to play, or that it has made Tribes better. Were were only arguing that it isn't a cheat. You seem to have a difficult time understanding that.

You conceded that we won this e-argument, but your final remarks make me wonder if you are e-blind, or just e-ignorant. Unfortunately, signs do point to the latter. Thank you, and have a nice e-day.

Aha. I don't have anything else to add. :]