[T:V] The answer to cheats

Hush you. :hrm:
dont hate on my excellent drawing skillz. :browsmile

Let me see if I can bring this to a nice peaceful close.


So, will it be perfect? No, obviously not. Will cheaters get nailed? Yes, absolutely. Will some cheaters go free? probably, but I doubt their numbers will be high.



bold words for a closing statement. if anything it's encouragement for those who create cheats.

regardless of what's said, i'm behind whatever you say & think should be done with regards to cheaters.

i'd like to choke them all, but i only have 2 hands ;)

i'd like to see how punkbuster would detect a cheat such as autoaim that; doesn't alter memory, is not resident as a process itself, is not implemented as any externally loaded module (dll), its presence is only visible from privileged mode but that presence is completely random.

dogs chase cats to see if they can catch them, not to eat them :)

Well I'm not a good enough engineer to tell you how they do it, but go grab an America's Army auto aim cheat and see how well PB works against it.

Settle down and read my post again. It's easy to poke holes in just about anything if you're going to be pedantic about it. Read the meaning, and don't search for exceptions.

4. Really. Cheaters were found. I didn't say ALL nor did I mean all. If you don't think that any cheaters were found in T1 you're fooling yourself.

3. I didn't say that, did I? In fact my point didn't have anything to do with rumor, did it? If you're going to argue point for point, try to actually use the point you're supposedly arguing about.

1. The idiots do need weeding out, and if method A is easier than method B then I endorse method A. There is nothing wrong with finding some cheaters the easy way.

Now, please stop and think calmly, that's calmly before returning fire. I stand by every item in my previous post, and I don't believe that any of them can be rationally disputed. Certainly you can misrepresent parts of them and argue that way, but that's not what we're after here, is it?

1. he he :)

2. ?

3. You didn't say that, but, to me, it was implied. That's all that matters. If you don't agree, read your past posts. I shouldn't have to quote them for you to understand my statements.

4. The statement you made could be pretty much applied to all games. Why single Tribes out? Not only that, it's a generalized statement. Kinda obvious there's going to be 'some' people that find out someone else is cheating.

I thought it was a fairly calm post. Not really arguing. Just responding to what you post.

4. Really? I'd like some evidence of this. What you meant to say was that T1 had many players that liked to call other people cheaters. Next.

3. So someone spreads a rumour that imacheater cheats. Enough evidence to ban someone? Not quite.

2. This is true.

1. Screenshots work? If anything, it'd help weed out the idiots. Depending on the method, it'd be pretty easy to get around.

SG, don't be a fag. Shit, wait, is that even possible?


You are quite possibly the dumbest person I've ever seen on these forums, and that is saying a lot.

It is inevitable ,lying,cheating,and stealing is just part of life.

These threads always crack me up because it's easy to see who actually wants to cheat, and who wants to play fair.

You get the people whining about it being to hard to catch cheaters, and making excuses about how hard it will be and how it won't work. These guys give absolutely no suggestions and turn a blind eye to the counter arguments. You're only making it blatantly obvious where your priorities are.

The rest of us who play fair and don't cheat are all for as many cheat preventions you can throw at us. Why? Because we don't cheat. End.

You couldn't be more wrong.

I'm all about an efficient, accurate cheat detection/prevention system. I just want one that doesn't break my game in the process. This thread does not fit that criteria.

Maybe I'm wrong but for some certain cheats would you not first need the cheat to make a anti cheat against it.

These threads always crack me up because it's easy to see who actually wants to cheat, and who wants to play fair.

You get the people whining about it being to hard to catch cheaters, and making excuses about how hard it will be and how it won't work. These guys give absolutely no suggestions and turn a blind eye to the counter arguments. You're only making it blatantly obvious where your priorities are.

The rest of us who play fair and don't cheat are all for as many cheat preventions you can throw at us. Why? Because we don't cheat. End.
Ah, the logic here is staggering. Some people have the sense to realize that no matter what, there will still be cheaters. And because they say that, you are basically accusing them of being cheaters, or cheater sympathizers? Give me a break. I merely acknowledge one thing: every anti-cheat can be countered with an anti-anti-cheat. Do whatever it takes to eliminate 90-95% of the cheaters out there, but don't spend massive resources trying to capture the elusive remaining percentage. It's just not going to work.

People are always ready and willing to call someone else a cheater without thinking about it first. Most of the time it is due to ignorance.

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Thats why I say

thoughts of thrax keep me warm at night

I'm in favor of efforts to prevent cheating. I'm not naive enough to think they will be effective, but at least it will discourage casual use.

That being said I am specifically concerned with two areas: trainers and no-CD cracks.

I just got done with Legacy of Kain: Defiance. Single player game with an excellent story line that compels me to play because I WANT to see how it all plays out. I don't enjoy single player games due to their lack of dynamic environments and lack of satisfaction from killing a human player instead of some script driven AI. I "played" through LoK:D with a trainer of course. Since I don't forsee caring AT ALL about T:V single player, I will probably give it the prerequisite run through - with a trainer.

If I purchase T:V I will want to keep my original installation media as pristine as possible. When I got T2 the first thing I did was make a CloneCD image to mount under Daemon Tools, and used that for subsequent reinstalls. All total my real T2 CD has been in a drive maybe 4 times. Some present copy protection methods detect Daemon Tools and either won't install or just won't run. The most likely thing I will do if unable to make an image of the CD is look for a noCD crack.

They modify either memory or files. Will everyone using a noCD crack be branded a cheater and have their account disabled? If you allow file modifications in that case, where would you draw the line? Single player trainers seem less likely as grounds for a ban, I'm just trying to cover the bases.

Uh, I'm pretty sure NoCD cracks fall into the realm of anti-piracy, not cheats.

:p

Will everyone using a noCD crack be branded a cheater and have their account disabled?No, but we will make you wear the pink armor.

DooM!']Does Punkbuster affect performance much?

gayest program ever made for games, all it ends up doing is messing games up

DwarfVader... amazing. Nice reply. Glad to see you took the time to justify your comments as well.

At least the shit I talk I can back.

We're watching you :p

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