rottweiler vs. pitbull, a fight to the death

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JuggerNaught
08-04-2003, 10:48 PM
fine i'll reword what sojourn said to state why.



and thats the reason why several people jumped. im done. i ahve to drive someoen to the airport tomorrow very early int he morning. im going to bed. goodnight.

actually the reason several jumped in is the same several jump in most threads that turn into flame wars. the lemmings of the forum watch a couple momo's who get bent because people disagree with thier word of god opinions, the lurkers grow some lil internet nuts and jump in because they figure they can get a few pokes in when normally they wouldn't have anything to say one way or the other...ups thier 'cool points' with the other guys in the locker room..lol

Bodom
08-04-2003, 10:50 PM
i'd rather see the dogs brutally maul the bleeding heart animal-rights-attivist panzies that replied to this thread.
go video tape yourself jumping in front of a bus for our amusement.

there a little difference betwen bleeding heart ar activists and people that think 2 dogs fighting to the death for sport is "cool stuff"

apollod
08-04-2003, 10:53 PM
Yeah.. except that's not really a good example of what happens naturally. When a domesticated animal fights the primary reason is because they feel their master is in some way threatened and they have to protect them, or they feel like their home is being encroached upon. Even under those conditions they never fight to the death.

your somewhat right...

animals that in nature are raised in a pack environment will fight with each other.. the reason for this fighting is to increase in position in the pack. Simple look at this.. you have an old dog, most likely near its end, and you have a rather young dog.. not neccessarily a puppy, but maybe 1 or 2 years old.. the puppy will fight the old dog, the reason for this is simple.. 1st the younger is trying to raise its stake in the pack more quickly while the other dog is weak (which in domesticated environments includes people, dogs and cats will always see themselves in a pack its just their nature); 2nd the younger dog in some weird way is supposed to be helping the older dog alleviate its pain. Ask any well trained vet this, they too will say this, its not b/c the younger dog is violent, its just the nature of the animal to do that, this is also why dogs may attack young children for no reason, or adults within the family unit, they percieve them as weaker, thus time to strike and raise itself within the pack. The whole "master is threatened, thus I must attack" thing comes from pack vs pack, the hostile person or animal is percieved to be from another pack, and must be dealt with. Domesticated animals, or any animal in a pack environment will fight to the death, but normally the fight is over when the other animal runs away, but what happens in domesticated environments, the losing animal may not be removed from that situation, nor can they run away, thus if the fighting is allowed to continue, the weaker animal will eventually be killed.

edit: i dont feel like writing cliff notes or anything, so somebody else can do that

esvee
08-04-2003, 10:54 PM
go video tape yourself jumping in front of a bus for our amusement.

there a little difference betwen bleeding heart ar activists and people that think 2 dogs fighting to the death for sport is "cool stuff"

oh, but people who think violence against humans is acceptable are morally superior. i'm sorry sir, you will be a few rungs in hell beneath me. my bad.

-MT-Stealth
08-04-2003, 10:55 PM
oooh..you mean those vet's offices that require your dog to be muzzled?. damn i wonder why would a vet's office that has a waiting room full of dogs require dogs to be muzzled when they come in the door..hmm...i dunno...thats a tough one. why dont you think on it for a bit and get back to me.

Uhhh..i have a big ass german sheppard (weights around 110 lbs) and it NEVER had to be muzzled, in fact, i never seen dogs muzzled in there.

Dude, you need to learn when to stfu and admit that you're wrong.

You lose. Give up.

JuggerNaught
08-04-2003, 10:56 PM
i forgot..there's only one vet's office in the country. my bad.

-MT-Stealth
08-04-2003, 10:58 PM
yeah yeah, stfu

esvee
08-04-2003, 10:58 PM
gddamn hippies. as maddox says, when there isn't a war they need something to bitch about. animal rights is one of those favorite areas.

eggo
08-04-2003, 10:58 PM
my dog and cat's vet office doesnt require muzzling, theyve never had an incident either :shrug:

eggo
08-04-2003, 10:59 PM
gddamn hippies. as maddox says, when there isn't a war they need something to bitch about. animal rights is one of those favorite areas.

yeah, that and civil rights! Whats up with that shit?

esvee
08-04-2003, 11:02 PM
yeah, that and civil rights! Whats up with that shit?


make no mistake, champions like bodom here would rather see me hit by a bus then two dogs bite at each other. his compassion is Jesus like

Sojourn
08-04-2003, 11:06 PM
actually the reason several jumped in is the same several jump in most threads that turn into flame wars. the lemmings of the forum watch a couple momo's who get bent because people disagree with thier word of god opinions, the lurkers grow some lil internet nuts and jump in because they figure they can get a few pokes in when normally they wouldn't have anything to say one way or the other...ups thier 'cool points' with the other guys in the locker room..lol

:lol: I'm a lemming? When have I ever gone along with the opinion of everyone else simply because it's the majority opinion. I won't. I'm very honest about what I think, and I have no problems at all with people disagreeing with it. In fact, if you can prove to me that my opinion is in some way incorrect, I will probably take the information you provide to heart. I've even seen discussions where I've agreed with what you were saying, and if I feel it needs being said, I will throw out my opinion. The problem is when you and I don't agree. See, you're stubborn, and arrogant, and in some cases quite ignorant. Very rarely do I see you throw out any information that is not completely suspect, or simply circumstantial. That in itself is not the problem, except that you use it as the word of God. When it's challenged you fall back on insults, and eventually you just leave the thread entirely.

I have no problem with you as a person, at all. I'm not interested in going out of my way to attack you, or to win "cool points." I could care less. You're not important to me. 99% of Tribalwar is not important to me. If anyone has a problem with this, tough shit. I make no pretences. The only people important to me have earned my respect, and in some cases my admiration. That's just the way it is for me. I'm like this in person, so why should I be any different online? If I'm an asshole it's not because of my attitude towards people, because I'm a very nice and easy-going guy. I defy you to call me a lemming, or some asshole who just wants to argue after you know me personally.

SirPsycho
08-04-2003, 11:09 PM
Ok.. I haven't read this whole thread.. But..

Being a Pitbull owner and a real fan of the breed I can add this..

Rotts were not bred to fight.. Pit Bulls are..

Pit Bulls, fighting Pit Bulls, were bred for what is called gameness. Gameness is the Pit Bulls ability and willingness to fight till the death.

Pit Bulls that fight are called "gamedogs". Gamedogs are much much much different than your average Pit Bull that your typical thug has..

A good gamedog will have a pedigree that's full of champion and grand champion fighting dogs. A Champion is a pit bulldog that has won 3 matches without a defeat. A Grand Champion will have won 5 matches without a defeat. These matches can be to the death.

To give you an idea of what a "gamebred" Pit Bull can do vs. your average thug type pit bull: A gamebred pit bulldog will fight like Bruce Lee naturally while a regular pit bulldog is your average black belt.

A Rott is no match for a real gamebred pitbull. A Rott was not bred to fight and typically has no instinct to fight. On the other hand, a pit bulldog dogfights like a hound can find a scent: naturally.

To put a pit bulldog in a pit vs a rott is not fair to a rott. Can a Rott beat a Pit Bulldog? Sure. It could happen. But on average, a Pit Bulldog will whip a Rott or any other dog very easily..

BTW: the picture of the pit bulldog in the first message is not an example of a gamebred pitbull.

Sojourn
08-04-2003, 11:10 PM
your somewhat right...

animals that in nature are raised in a pack environment will fight with each other.. the reason for this fighting is to increase in position in the pack. Simple look at this.. you have an old dog, most likely near its end, and you have a rather young dog.. not neccessarily a puppy, but maybe 1 or 2 years old.. the puppy will fight the old dog, the reason for this is simple.. 1st the younger is trying to raise its stake in the pack more quickly while the other dog is weak (which in domesticated environments includes people, dogs and cats will always see themselves in a pack its just their nature); 2nd the younger dog in some weird way is supposed to be helping the older dog alleviate its pain. Ask any well trained vet this, they too will say this, its not b/c the younger dog is violent, its just the nature of the animal to do that, this is also why dogs may attack young children for no reason, or adults within the family unit, they percieve them as weaker, thus time to strike and raise itself within the pack. The whole "master is threatened, thus I must attack" thing comes from pack vs pack, the hostile person or animal is percieved to be from another pack, and must be dealt with. Domesticated animals, or any animal in a pack environment will fight to the death, but normally the fight is over when the other animal runs away, but what happens in domesticated environments, the losing animal may not be removed from that situation, nor can they run away, thus if the fighting is allowed to continue, the weaker animal will eventually be killed.

edit: i dont feel like writing cliff notes or anything, so somebody else can do that

Er, I'm pretty sure I addressed and agreed with this all. I could have sworn I posted about dogs within the pack(family) fighting for dominance.

apollod
08-04-2003, 11:22 PM
Er, I'm pretty sure I addressed and agreed with this all. I could have sworn I posted about dogs within the pack(family) fighting for dominance.

i didnt read the entire thread :banging: :shrug:

ok now i read your other replies.. i basically took a long drawn out way to show that dogs will fight to the death, or any animal in the pack group will fight to the death if the situation arises to do so, you said never, a minor rather insignificant difference

Sojourn
08-04-2003, 11:24 PM
i didnt read the entire thread :banging: :shrug:

Oh, heh. Gotcha.