dear lockntross, juggernaught, critter, and onnotangu

The CDC and 10 other previous posted websites say otherwise. Your 1985 study == teh shit

Originally posted by JuggerNaught
the virus has survived in water at room temperature for over one week (Barre-Sinoussi et al. 1985). As a result, the sharing of water may be an effective mechanism for viral transfer.


Agreed. This, however, does not necessarily mean ALL virii. Meaning, HIV might not be trasnmitted this way.

Edit:
I started reading late in the thread, so I'm not sure what all the websites were :/

Aestis
AidsWater

live it, learn it, be it.

i'm going to go out on a limb here and say those studies are incorrect and outdated. be back while i google and prove you wrong once again.

Oh you idiot.

The likelihood of transmission would probably depend on the quantity of virus exchanged and this would depend in part on the amount of HIV positive blood in the water. In abandoned buildings where users frequently inject, we have observed water in shared containers that has actually become pink from the number of needles placed in it.

It's room temperature water that is saline simply from the amount of blood that has been introduced to it. If water is pink from blood, that means a shitload of salt has been introduced because, guess what? Blood is salty!

That is not millions of gallons of fresh water, kept cooled from lack of any surrounding heat source.

Originally posted by invar
i'm going to go out on a limb here and say those studies are incorrect and outdated. be back while i google and prove you wrong once again.

i would but must sleep

will resume tomorrow

get him :mad:

:bigthumb: to sojourn

I guess those terrorists are going to go kidnap every person in New York City, infect them with HIV, and then massacre them to come up with a proper blood/water ratio.

Even I expected more from you, JuggerNaught. That report was outdated, and horribly vague. No information on the amount of water, no information on amount of HIV infected blood.

OK done, I just read this entire thread and it was good.

Conclusions: I have no proof of anything nor do I want it and am not trained or schooled in jack about medical stuff.

It is my belief however that if people could contract AIDS from water, that there would be alot mor publicity about it. People do have cold sores, gingivitis and other reasons to bleed orally and could easily spread the AIDS that way. I would think that if this was indeed a real way to spread AIDS, that everyone would know about it and there would be tons of documentation available to back it up.

I have no personal issues with any of you, but I think this would be a good time for Juggs to cut his losses and accept the aftermath that is to come.

:wave:

Originally posted by Sojourn
Oh you idiot.



It's room temperature water that is saline simply from the amount of blood that has been introduced to it. If water is pink from blood, that means a shitload of salt has been introduced because, guess what? Blood is salty!

That is not millions of gallons of fresh water, kept cooled from lack of any surrounding heat source.

the large amounts of water would surely dillute a vial full of blood, it might even delute 2 bodies full of blood...but how many times have you seen videos of various middle eastern settings for executions of 10-15 people like its nothing? shit they killed 3000 of our people without batting an eye....18 of their men went to their deaths willingly...do you think they are the only ones that would die for allah?

and yeah...thats room temp....but this virus stays alive the the colder that it is, a water supply isnt going to be hot....granted it wont be freezing either, but it will be damn sure cooler than 'room temperature'


the viability of HIV in postmortem tissue. In one study, researchers cultured HIV from the plasma and/or mononuclear cells of 51% of 41 bodies being prepared for burial at 0.5 to 21.5 hours after death.(53) Thirty-three percent of the HIV culture-positive bodies were refrigerated.[/n] In another study, researchers unsuccessfully cultured HIV from the cerebrospinal fluid and other tissues of three bodies.(54) One case report detailed the culture of viable HIV from the [b]plasma of a body refrigerated at 3 to 5°C 18 hours after death.(55) Another report described culture of HIV from eight of ten bodies from 1 to 6 days after death.(56) Of this group, HIV grew in culture of five of the blood and five of the tissue specimens

Originally posted by Big Monkey
OK done, I just read this entire thread and it was good.

Conclusions: I have no proof of anything nor do I want it and am not trained or schooled in jack about medical stuff.

It is my belief however that if people could contract AIDS from water, that there would be alot mor publicity about it. People do have cold sores, gingivitis and other reasons to bleed orally and could easily spread the AIDS that way. I would think that if this was indeed a real way to spread AIDS, that everyone would know about it and there would be tons of documentation available to back it up.

I have no personal issues with any of you, but I think this would be a good time for Juggs to cut his losses and accept the aftermath that is to come.

Indeed

Originally posted by JuggerNaught


the large amounts of water would surely dillute a vial full of blood, it might even delute 2 bodies full of blood...but how many times have you seen videos of various middle eastern settings for executions of 10-15 people like its nothing? shit they killed 3000 of our people without batting an eye....18 of their men went to their deaths willingly...do you think they are the only ones that would die for allah?

and yeah...thats room temp....but this virus stays alive the the colder that it is, a water supply isnt going to be hot....granted it wont be freezing either, but it will be damn sure cooler than 'room temperature'



Again, that new study you posted is "in the body after death" NOT "in a body of water"

Originally posted by JuggerNaught


the large amounts of water would surely dillute a vial full of blood, it might even delute 2 bodies full of blood...but how many times have you seen videos of various middle eastern settings for executions of 10-15 people like its nothing? shit they killed 3000 of our people without batting an eye....18 of their men went to their deaths willingly...do you think they are the only ones that would die for allah?

and yeah...thats room temp....but this virus stays alive the the colder that it is, a water supply isnt going to be hot....granted it wont be freezing either, but it will be damn sure cooler than 'room temperature'



Perhaps you don't understand just how much blood you would need, JuggerNaught. To turn a cities water supply pink from the administered blood would take a huge amount of blood.. These are millions of gallons of water. We're not talking about some arrowhead plastic bottle here.

It survived being refrigerated because it was contained in a tiny cylinder of nothing but cerebrospinal fluid, that wasn't dilluted at all, and had no outside influences to worry about. Big difference. Controlled environment vs. un-controlled. Understand?

Originally posted by JuggerNaught
sigh...ok..once more.

for those that say hiv cant be transmitted through water..get your crayons out..pay attention:

Why is injecting drugs a risk for HIV?

At the start of every intravenous injection, blood is introduced into needles and syringes. HIV can be found in the blood of a person infected with the virus. The reuse of a blood-contaminated needle or syringe by another drug injector (sometimes called "direct syringe sharing") carries a high risk of HIV transmission because infected blood can be injected directly into the bloodstream.

In addition, sharing drug equipment (or "works") can be a risk for spreading HIV. Infected blood can be introduced into drug solutions by

using blood-contaminated syringes to prepare drugs;

reusing water;

reusing bottle caps, spoons, or other containers ("cookers") used to dissolve drugs in water and to heat drug solutions; or


How can people who use injection drugs reduce their risk for HIV infection?

The CDC recommends that people who inject drugs should be regularly counseled to:

stop using and injecting drugs;

enter and complete substance abuse treatment, including relapse prevention.

For injection drug users who cannot or will not stop injecting drugs, the following steps may be taken to reduce personal and public health risks:

Never reuse or "share" syringes, water, or drug preparation equipment.


http://www.aidforaids.net/transmis.htm




http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/901609.html


but wait....here's the kicker...


http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/901609.html

let the backpeddling begin.

Originally posted by JuggerNaught
now...one more time. the context of the argument was that drinking water that contained hiv tainted blood could infect you through open cuts.

I wouldn't be surprised if you were dumb enough to drink water that someone used to rinse out needles from intravenous drunk use. But generally people do not drink water that was used to clean needles.

Answer the question????
VVVV
You still think that you will live if i give you a pure water IV?


also from: http://www.drugtext.org/library/articles/901609.html

CONCLUSION:
"Only continued and extensive virological testing can determine if the sharing of water and other injecting items provides HS' with probable routes for transmission. In the future, researchers may find that our concern with the minute amounts of virus present in shared water containers, spoon and cottons was an overreaction and that the virus is simply not that virulent."

*EDIT* one should also note the transmission they speak of follows this path intravenous - wash with water - intravenous, i fail to see where they talk about drinking it, or having it spilt on you.

Just for future reference you really should read the conclusion of any study you read. They people who do the study are alot better then you are at making conclusions.

If you could read you would realize that this study doesn't verify anything (they don't even know if the virus in the water is virulent), they accept their methods are not strong enough criteria to support any claims. So i fail to see why you are even using this study to support your claims when the people who did it wouldn't say that.

You are pretty good at putting your foot in your mouth.

And it seems to me that you are doing all the backpedaling you fucking moron.

Originally posted by Sojourn
I guess those terrorists are going to go kidnap every person in New York City, infect them with HIV, and then massacre them to come up with a proper blood/water ratio.

Even I expected more from you, JuggerNaught. That report was outdated, and horribly vague. No information on the amount of water, no information on amount of HIV infected blood.

1. I never said it was going to happen, i said it was possible.

2. on the other hand...YOUR argument was that it couldnt happen.....YOU, your faithful sidekick Spike (aka aestis) and the little small asian man in the corner said that it was totally impossible, couldnt happen, no way and how the fuck could i even think that you could transmit the HIV virus through water... etc etc.


yep. ya can.

jugs that is the weakest argument ever and goes beyond absolutely pathetic now. you're just grasping at straws.

and thats what i've said about 50 times mr. thickhead.

you cant drink after someone and get hiv

but i'll lay you a small fortune that if i (or your local terrorist) has someone that is in the midst of full blown aids, cut their throat, and pitch the body in the water supply, anyone who drinks it within the next 6-20 hours (not being generous with the time at all)....anyone who has a bad tooth, cut lip, small cut gum, canker (sp) sore, cold sore, is probably fucked.guess what, you just lost your small fortune.

now stfu or you'll anger the small asian man even more :mad:

OK guys I'm out for the night, gots work tommorow.

BTW, I bought another copy of the original T2 by mistake today and decided to read the manual while waiting in the truck to pick my sister up from school.

I was reading the thank yous at the end and one of the developer guys' last name is "Fagot".

I thought that was kewl and wanted to share it.

G'nite.

Originally posted by JuggerNaught
1. I never said it was going to happen, i said it was possible.

2. on the other hand...YOUR argument was that it couldnt happen.....YOU, your faithful sidekick Spike (aka aestis) and the little small asian man in the corner said that it was totally impossible, couldnt happen, no way and how the fuck could i even think that you could transmit the HIV virus through water... etc etc.


yep. ya can.

These studies would not support the conclusion you have drawn. Perhaps if you did these studies, or you had MD you could change their conclusions, but until that point in time you can't. Way to put your foot even further into your mouth.

Originally posted by invar
jugs that is the weakest argument ever and goes beyond absolutely pathetic now. you're just grasping at straws.

guess what, you just lost your small fortune.

now stfu or you'll anger the small asian man even more :mad:

see above post.



you make kiss the buttocks now small asian man. start with left cheek, plz, its my favorite
thx.:weird:.