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The Price of Freedom in America

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06-08-2006, 05:46 PM
America - What do we have that's free anymore?

I pay taxes on the food I eat, the drinks I drink, the money I make, the **** I flush, the fish I catch, the shows I watch, the guns I buy etc.

I also pay for non tangible things. For instance, I pay for the right to carry a concealed weapon. I have to pay to engage in certain types of business activities. Etc.

So, what's free in the Land of the Free? I have always thought I was free. Now I am not so sure. Am I a capitalist slave to large corporations and special interest groups who just happen to have the ears and pockets of our self-elected politicians?

I was about to say that my two cents on this subject was free. Exercising my free speech.

Is this post free?

**** no. Bought and paid for 700 different ways from Sunday.

Maybe if I go outside and speak my mind it will be free.

****. The land I am standing on is taxed. I got to it in vehicle burning dead dinosaurs that have been refined and sold to me for a price that includes taxes and excises.

Every time I start up a vehicle, I pollute. When I pollute, I kill/melt/destroy/perpetuate.

I guess I am free to make as much ****ing money as I want. Pretty much. Look at Gates, Wynn, Oprah, Stern, etc. Are they free?

Is freedom in the US determined by how wealthy we are? By the lack of debt we have?

Here is an excerpt from Franklin D - back when presidents used to say useful things -


"The basic things expected by our people of their political and economic systems are simple. They are:

Equality of opportunity for youth and for others.

Jobs for those who can work.

Security for those who need it.

The ending of special privilege for the few.

The preservation of civil liberties for all.

The enjoyment -- The enjoyment of the fruits of scientific progress in a wider and constantly rising standard of living.

These are the simple, the basic things that must never be lost sight of in the turmoil and unbelievable complexity of our modern world. The inner and abiding strength of our economic and political systems is dependent upon the degree to which they fulfill these expectations.

Many subjects connected with our social economy call for immediate improvement. As examples:

We should bring more citizens under the coverage of old-age pensions and unemployment insurance.

We should widen the opportunities for adequate medical care.

We should plan a better system by which persons deserving or needing gainful employment may obtain it.

I have called for personal sacrifice, and I am assured of the willingness of almost all Americans to respond to that call. A part of the sacrifice means the payment of more money in taxes. In my budget message I will recommend that a greater portion of this great defense program be paid for from taxation than we are paying for today. No person should try, or be allowed to get rich out of the program, and the principle of tax payments in accordance with ability to pay should be constantly before our eyes to guide our legislation.

If the Congress maintains these principles the voters, putting patriotism ahead pocketbooks, will give you their applause.

In the future days, which we seek to make secure, we look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms.

The first is freedom of speech and expression -- everywhere in the world.

The second is freedom of every person to worship God in his own way everywhere in the world.

The third is freedom from want, which, translated into world terms, means economic understandings which will secure to every nation a healthy peacetime life for its inhabitants -- everywhere in the world.

The fourth is freedom from fear, which, translated into world terms, means a world-wide reduction of armaments to such a point and in such a thorough fashion that no nation will be in a position to commit an act of physical aggression against any neighbor -- anywhere in the world."

This makes me sad in many ways. To look back at the words of a past president and see how far we have strayed.

One phrase he used "Put patriotism before pocketbooks" struck me as odd. do we do that anymore? Individuals will when called upon. Do corporations?

World-wide reduction of armaments. :lol: Yeah, that's going well.

Freedom from fear. Yeah, sure. Fear is sure expensive. We sure pay a lot for fighting terrorism when none of us seems terrified.

Freedom from want? Ok. How can we be free from want when we are enticed and seduced by a structure that lulls us into debt? When we live in homes that we do not own. Perhaps never will. How can we not all long for large yards, some land to call our own. A personal kingdom. One that is safe from encroachment by corporate construction and the conniving politicians who will take the land away to serve their masters.

Freedom of speech and expression? **** you FCC. Way to put the fear of your god into the minds of broadcasters. Is speech free? Not when you get fined for speaking. Not when some can speak about certain topics and others cannot. Is my speech free when it is captured and analyzed by investigators in the pursuit of terrorists? Is my speech free when I speak into air which is polluted from land that is taxed to people that can sue me for my thoughts?

Freedom of every person to worship God in his own way everywhere in the world. Wouldn't that be nice. If this is so, then why does the religious right carry so much power in the corridors of our nation's capitol? Why were peace loving Muslims afraid to show their faces in our country after 9/11? Why do we still hate based on religion? What are we doing to put an end to this?

This is not a ***** fest. I have not fallen out of love with my country. I just wonder how many of my fellow Americans feel as I do. Are we not growing sick and tired of corporate trickery?

My parents first house was a three story home. It had three bedrooms. 2 bathrooms. An attic. A basement. A detached garage. A fenced yard with a gate to the garage. Price in 1966? $12,000 dollars.

Twelve thousand dollars, my friends. First of all, you can't find houses built like that anymore. The materials were so much better. a 2x4 used to be a 2x4. What are they now? 1.25 x 3?

Almost everything is having substance sucked out and price pushed up. Our culture is whipped up with air like a cheetoh. Our bodies are inflating. Our debt is building.

It is difficult to get in to see a doctor when we are sick. Many doctors can take weeks if not months to see. Sure, you can go to an emergency room and pay more.

I guess healthcare *is* free if you aren't an American. It's expensive if you are. We pay pay pay pay for the day when we need help. Then, when we need the help, we are screwed screwed screwed screwed out of the "good care" unless we or someone close to us watches the system like a hawk and insists on correct care. It is cheaper to let us die than to help us. After all, what good are we sick? We can't consume. Out with the old, in with the new!!!

Well, that's what is on my mind this eight day of June in 2006.

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06-08-2006, 05:47 PM

06-08-2006, 05:48 PM
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06-08-2006, 05:49 PM
Hey, man, Monday was three days ago.

By the way, a surfaced 2x4 is actually 1 1/2" x 3 1/2". That's nothing new. :)

06-08-2006, 05:50 PM
way to post retarded chain mail

06-08-2006, 05:50 PM

06-08-2006, 05:52 PM
i read like 20 lines and was like...**** it...

06-08-2006, 05:53 PM

06-08-2006, 05:54 PM
Dont hate the capitalism itself, hate the government that over taxes and silences you.

also: pizza is on my mind this eight day of June 2006.

06-08-2006, 05:55 PM

06-08-2006, 05:58 PM
FDR=Worst President

We need to get rid of all of the socialist welfare programs that have come to be by FDR's violations of the Constitution.

Simply align the country back with the Constitution. There are several things that need to be done, including ending welfare, the Department of Education, Social Security, etc. The list goes on and on. Then get rid of all of the unconstitutional legislation. Such as, you shouldn't have to pay to exercise your individual, inherent right to bear arms. Concealed carry permits are unconstitutional. This list goes on as well. Acting like we live in a country whose Congress, President, and Supreme Court abide by the Constitution is ridiculous. We stopped using the Constitution in the early 1900's.

Also, FDR=worst president. He's the reason folks feel like it's the government's job to take care of your every need.

06-08-2006, 05:59 PM
holy toledo!

06-08-2006, 06:00 PM
I read the entire thing.

06-08-2006, 06:01 PM
way to post retarded chain mail

Durak, that's strike two today. It might be retarded, but, it's my own retarded. Not someone elses.

06-08-2006, 06:02 PM
So did you write that all, or was it written by some other idiot that seems to think the only definition of "free" is "not costing any money?"

Granted, I think we are taxed far too much because of far too many social programs, but I'm not going to complain that I'm not "free" because I pay taxes for everything.

06-08-2006, 06:02 PM
buck o five

06-08-2006, 06:04 PM
I find it funny that a guy named Brasstax posted this thread

06-08-2006, 06:04 PM
So did you write that all, or was it written by some other idiot that seems to think the only definition of "free" is "not costing any money?"

Granted, I think we are taxed far too much because of far too many social programs, but I'm not going to complain that I'm not "free" because I pay taxes for everything.

Don't respond to an article until you've read the entire thing.