Dont have the pics, they havent been released. This time, it seems, our guys killed prisoners, raped female prisoners and took pics, and allowed dogs to maul them among other things:
Bush, showing support for his embattled defense chief, traveled to the Pentagon and told Rumsfeld in front of a news media audience, "You're doing a superb job ... and our nation owes you a debt of gratitude."
The fallout from the prison scandal was far from over, however, as the president privately examined about a dozen photographs of U.S. soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners. Those images have not been made public yet.
The president's reaction to the photographs was "one of deep disgust and disbelief that anyone who wears our uniform would engage in such shameful and appalling acts," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.
The images are said to show prisoners being forced to perform sexual acts, a male military police guard having sex with a female prisoner, dogs biting and severely injuring a detainee, and the bodies of dead Iraqi detainees.
The pictures Bush saw Monday were expected to be sent to the Senate Armed Services Committee, which today will hold a second hearing on the prison abuses by U.S. soldiers. Lawmakers were to hear from Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who led the investigation into what he called "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
The Pentagon and the White House talked Monday about whether the photographs delivered to Congress eventually should be made public.
The Pentagon has to consider the privacy concerns of U.S. soldiers and whether release of the photos would complicate criminal investigations, McClellan said.
"Those responsible for these abuses have caused harm that goes well beyond the walls of a prison."
During his Pentagon visit, Bush stressed that the abuses were being thoroughly investigated.
He also acknowledged that the scandal has been a setback to U.S. foreign policy.
"The president does not honor American troops in Iraq by deflecting responsibility away from the secretary of defense," said Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa. "There is mounting evidence, in stark contrast to (Rumsfeld's) sworn testimony before Congress last week, that the abuses at Abu Ghraib were the result of policies and attitudes set from the top."
Conducted Thursday through Sunday, the poll also found that just over half of the public believes the Pentagon tried to cover up the abuse. Also, 47 percent of those polled said U.S. soldiers at the Iraqi prison acted on their own, 31 percent said they were following orders and 6 percent said the soldiers were both following orders and acting on their own.
Brookings Institution military analyst Michael O'Hanlon said that regardless of public support for Rumsfeld, Bush still should have the defense chief leave his job to stanch the damage that the prison scandal has done to America's reputation in the Arab world.
Bush, showing support for his embattled defense chief, traveled to the Pentagon and told Rumsfeld in front of a news media audience, "You're doing a superb job ... and our nation owes you a debt of gratitude."
The fallout from the prison scandal was far from over, however, as the president privately examined about a dozen photographs of U.S. soldiers abusing Iraqi prisoners. Those images have not been made public yet.
The president's reaction to the photographs was "one of deep disgust and disbelief that anyone who wears our uniform would engage in such shameful and appalling acts," White House spokesman Scott McClellan said.
The images are said to show prisoners being forced to perform sexual acts, a male military police guard having sex with a female prisoner, dogs biting and severely injuring a detainee, and the bodies of dead Iraqi detainees.
The pictures Bush saw Monday were expected to be sent to the Senate Armed Services Committee, which today will hold a second hearing on the prison abuses by U.S. soldiers. Lawmakers were to hear from Maj. Gen. Antonio Taguba, who led the investigation into what he called "sadistic, blatant and wanton criminal abuses" at the Abu Ghraib prison near Baghdad.
The Pentagon and the White House talked Monday about whether the photographs delivered to Congress eventually should be made public.
The Pentagon has to consider the privacy concerns of U.S. soldiers and whether release of the photos would complicate criminal investigations, McClellan said.
"Those responsible for these abuses have caused harm that goes well beyond the walls of a prison."
During his Pentagon visit, Bush stressed that the abuses were being thoroughly investigated.
He also acknowledged that the scandal has been a setback to U.S. foreign policy.
"The president does not honor American troops in Iraq by deflecting responsibility away from the secretary of defense," said Sen. Tom Harkin of Iowa. "There is mounting evidence, in stark contrast to (Rumsfeld's) sworn testimony before Congress last week, that the abuses at Abu Ghraib were the result of policies and attitudes set from the top."
Conducted Thursday through Sunday, the poll also found that just over half of the public believes the Pentagon tried to cover up the abuse. Also, 47 percent of those polled said U.S. soldiers at the Iraqi prison acted on their own, 31 percent said they were following orders and 6 percent said the soldiers were both following orders and acting on their own.
Brookings Institution military analyst Michael O'Hanlon said that regardless of public support for Rumsfeld, Bush still should have the defense chief leave his job to stanch the damage that the prison scandal has done to America's reputation in the Arab world.
