Iraq war 'could kill 500,000'

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New Scientist: Iraq war 'could kill 500,000'

A war against Iraq could kill half a million people, warns a new report by medical experts - and most would be civilians.

The report claims as many as 260,000 could die in the conflict and its three-month aftermath, with a further 200,000 at risk in the longer term from famine and disease. A civil war in Iraq could add another 20,000 deaths.

Collateral Damage is being published on Tuesday in 14 countries and has been compiled by Medact, an organisation of British health professionals. It comes as the Iraqi leader, Saddam Hussein, is deciding how to respond to a series of deadlines on weapons inspections imposed by the United Nations.

If he fails to meet any conditions, the US and the UK have threatened to destroy Iraq's presumed weapons of mass destruction using military force.

The report has been commended by both medical and military specialists. "It is really important that people understand the consequences of war," says Vivienne Nathanson, head of science and ethics at the British Medical Association.

"All doctors look at war with a very large degree of horror because they know the meaning of casualties," she told New Scientist. "Even in the cleanest, most limited conflicts, people die and people suffer."

General Pete Gration, former Chief of the Australian Defence Forces and an opponent of a war on Iraq, adds: "This is no exaggerated tract by a bunch of zealots. It is a coldly factual report by health professionals who draw on the best evidence available."


Nuclear attack


The report assumes an attack on Iraq will begin with sustained air strikes, followed by an invasion of ground troops and culminating in the overthrow of Baghdad.


It concludes that the resulting death toll will be much higher than either the 1991 Gulf War, which killed around 200,000 Iraqis, or the war on Afghanistan, which has so far left less than 5000 dead.

In the report's worst-case scenario, nuclear weapons are fired on Iraq in response to a chemical and biological attack on Kuwait and Israel, leaving a massive 3.9 million people dead. But the report states that even the best-case estimates for a short war would initially kill 10,000 people, "more than three times the number who died on September 11".

The report argues that the 1991 war led to the severe weakening of the health of Iraq's people and the country's healthcare infrastructure, and that this would mean higher casualties in any new war.

"Casualties, the cycle of violence and other consequences continue to affect generation after generation," says the report's author, health consultant Jane Salvage.

They've been given their chance. vgb Iraq, ggs
 
It's amazing how gung ho some people are for war. It's like you guys are gonna pull a Slim Pickins and ride the bombs down...
 
In the report's worst-case scenario, nuclear weapons are fired on Iraq in response to a chemical and biological attack on Kuwait and Israel, leaving a massive 3.9 million people dead. But the report states that even the best-case estimates for a short war would initially kill 10,000 people, "more than three times the number who died on September 11".

Yet another attempt of garnering support for the idea by bringing up sept 11th. Seems anyone on the losing end of an argument uses sept 11 references to 'strengthen' their points (*cough*anti-war protestors)
 
[57th]Star said:
Yet another attempt of garnering support for the idea by bringing up sept 11th. Seems anyone on the losing end of an argument uses sept 11 references to 'strengthen' their points (*cough*anti-war protestors)

That reference is against the attack. The entire article is against attacking, dumbass. It's by a medical group.

Saying it's 3x the casulties of the Sept. 11 attacks is saying that it's going beyond revenge and too extreme blah blah blah.
 
[57th]Star said:
Yet another attempt of garnering support for the idea by bringing up sept 11th. Seems anyone on the losing end of an argument uses sept 11 references to 'strengthen' their points (*cough*anti-war protestors)

no shit. but this isnt about what happened on sept 11th

its about what could happen on Jan 21st, or Feb 18th, or April 3rd, or whatever day they decide to attack on next.
 
Reno said:
That reference is against the attack. The entire article is against attacking, dumbass. It's by a medical group.

Saying it's 3x the casulties of the Sept. 11 attacks is saying that it's going beyond revenge and too extreme blah blah blah.

Yes, the idea = not attacking
'because this many times more people would die >Insert comparasion to sept 11th here<'
I am annoyed that they have to use people's minds like that. If they had such a constructive argument, they wouldn't need to take low blows and make references to sept 11th.
 
Why the fuck should we care how many Iraqis will die if their own leader doesn't?

No one else has to be the good guy, why do we?

We need to separate Saddam from his chemical/biological weapons. We need to send mucho greenbacks to Russia to secure theirs. And then we need to have so much ordanance pointed at Iran that they would dare even fart in our general direction. Dealing with the Saudis is going to be even more difficult - how do you stay buddy buddy with a corrupt monarchy that is hardly in control of a society that breeds terrorists? Maybe we should let Osama overthrow the Saudi royalty and take control - then invade and occupy SA.

Or we could just sit around smoking canadian pot until we get nuked.
 
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